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Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by ErikCorry »

rotten wrote: post #102
cycrutchfield wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> an economic situation that allows developers to benefit significantly without these benefits necessarily passing into the community Does the development of that land not result in increased property taxes to fund local services?

The opposite. It is those of us who live here who are paying for the new water and sewer lines and roads and street lights and law enforcement. Not the developers nor the big corporations who are getting abatements.

You said "The Intel project is paying for highway development the power and sewer extensions and more."?

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by snordgren »

zahma wrote: post #119
rotten wrote: post #34

I live next to where this is going in (walking distance). We already have a huge Google Data Center, One of the Ohio-east region availability zones. A Meta data center and office park, and a dbt data center under construction all within a short radius. We also have a vitamin factory being built, we have a large Amazon Fulfillment center, an R&D lab for a perfume company, and an R&D lab for plastics packaging. All of…

Thanks for posting this. I’m sorry to hear about what all this “progress” might cost you personally in addition to the habitats around you. I don’t believe we have the right to cut down trees older than we are. It appears I’m in the minority in this country. Something similar happened to my partner’s grandmother’s place in rural France in a matter of years. My partner grew up in her grandparent’s backyard that was lo…

Of course we need to cut down trees that are older than we are. The alternative to development is stagnation and poverty. It's medieval Europe where the social status of your parents decided your social status and that of your children.

Change is always hard, but the alternative is so much worse. There is no terra nullius that we can develop without anyone being bothered by it. Every house ever built does not have to be a museum to those who once lived there. We have too much of that thinking in Europe, where cultural conservation takes precedence over economic development, and as a consequence the economic wellbeing of the population suffers. It's great for tourists, but you can't live and do business in a city-sized museum.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by doublerabbit »

renewedrebecca wrote: post #111
doublerabbit wrote: post #41

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> 400 acres is basically nothing It's still something. 400 trees are still better then 1. It's more than you and I will ever own. It's lot of land which could provide so much resource we desperately need. For good rather than evil. 1 acre ~ 4848 trees - That's a lot of trees. 4848 squirrels if each squirrel had a tree each, 4848 birds. So lets complain about the worlds state while we continue to suck resources for co…

You are not forced to be connected to the network.

If I block AWS firewall level then I loose half of the internet from those who use AWS for their transit or those who use the provider for their sites.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by doublerabbit »

LarryMullins wrote: post #63
doublerabbit wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 400 acres is basically nothing It's still something. 400 trees are still better then 1. It's more than you and I will ever own. It's lot of land which could provide so much resource we desperately need. For good rather than evil. 1 acre ~ 4848 trees - That's a lot of trees. 4848 squirrels if each squirrel had a tree each, 4848 birds. So lets complain about the worlds state while we continue to suck resources for co…

I encourage you to leave the city and get a real sense of geographic scale.

I don't live in the US, nor Ohio. Back right at you, because maybe it should be you who should leave the country and see the disasters that these types of companies are causing to the world on a global geographic scale.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by asdff »

kashunstva wrote: post #130
cycrutchfield wrote: post #56

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I never understand this mentality. Keep undeveloped land undeveloped for what? People would rather have unemployment and opiate addicts instead of development and progress.

Keep it undeveloped for what, you ask? Interestingly this featureless wasted space is likely the home of a rich ecosystem evolved and evolving right here. And this very ecosystem may well support human thriving too in ways that people whooshing past won’t begin to understand. > People would rather have unemployment and opiate addicts instead of development and progress. So that’s our choice - big box stores and Amazo…

People always forget that there's plenty of land and you don't need to engage in greenfield really. You just need to build up. Keeping the ecosystems intact is much more important than keeping around a poorly insulated tinderbox of a home that was built in 3 weeks by unskilled laborers in 1935 around until the end of time. Ecosystems take thousands of years sometimes to develop all of their organic connectivity that we routinely destroy in no time at all.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by asdff »

eagleinparadise wrote: post #70
cycrutchfield wrote: post #56

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I never understand this mentality. Keep undeveloped land undeveloped for what? People would rather have unemployment and opiate addicts instead of development and progress.

Yeah, these people have the decision to sell or hold. Yet people blather on asif some anon-gov't agent "stole land" or something

In Ohio your property taxes get reassessed periodically. So as the local market goes up so does you tax burden. People really do get priced out of their home, sometimes priced out of the area entirely, especially if they are living on a fixed income.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by asdff »

samvher wrote: post #6

It's not obvious to me why it would be very beneficial to have a data center close to an Intel plant, but it sounds a bit like it might not be a coincidence that they're close together. If someone knows why this pairing makes sense, care to explain? (The closest thing I can think of is low delivery costs on electronics, but that seems really tiny compared to basically anything else that matters here, and it's not lik…

Ohio is positioning itself as a red state that will listen to business interests over most anything. Recently the governor signed a law stating natural gas would be considered green energy in Ohio. This could allow power hungry industry to use cheap gas and tout being 'green,' for example, but it at least signals to industry that the state legislature will pen whatever they dictate and the governor will sign it.

1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/01/1...

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by asdff »

virtuallynathan wrote: post #25
samvher wrote: post #6

It's not obvious to me why it would be very beneficial to have a data center close to an Intel plant, but it sounds a bit like it might not be a coincidence that they're close together. If someone knows why this pairing makes sense, care to explain? (The closest thing I can think of is low delivery costs on electronics, but that seems really tiny compared to basically anything else that matters here, and it's not lik…

Power availability?

Cheap power availability but its mostly natural gas and coal, apparently Ohio is the 4th highest energy consuming state. Sanctified power too, now that the governor signed a bill declaring natural gas is to be considered green energy.

https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=OH

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/01/1...

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by asdff »

tester756 wrote: post #5

Is Ohio becoming tech heartland?

I'm not sure it will be as long as the ohio republican party is in total control of the state. Between the rampant gerrymandering and corruption, abortion stance, lgbt stance, attacks on public education and critical race theory, and recently declaring natural gas is green energy, its hard to imagine that this will foster an innovative and progressive environment long term.

Re: Amazon acquires 400 acres near new Intel development in Ohio

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Post by asdff »

Kon-Peki wrote: post #128
a2tech wrote: post #71

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The state of Ohio has birthed more astronauts than any other state. Mostly because people are so desperate to get out of Ohio they’ll go to space to escape. UofM has the most astronauts that made it to the moon. And a flag on the moon. Good natured ribbing :)

> UofM has the most astronauts that made it to the moon The Wikipedia page suggests that the US Naval Academy has had 3 graduates walk on the moon with UofM, Purdue and West Point all having 2. Good company to be in, for sure. I have many extended family members in Ohio. What I've heard is that most feel like public education is going down hill. It used to be that any sufficiently advanced high school student would g…

Like in most other red states these days, the GOP controlled statehouse is trying to ruin public education further by passing don't say gay bills or preventing the teaching of the racist history of this country. One can't really be optimistic until the gerrymandering situation is fixed, because as it stands the republicans cannot ever lose their majority.
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