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Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

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Re: Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

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Here's a cool and perhaps unforeseen hypothetical turn-of-events: 100% of Twitter's staff give their resignation letter on Friday, and don't show up to work. Leadership wakes up to a collapsing platform, a 44 billion USD bill to pay, with no one to keep the lights on or answer the PagerDuty alerts. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes? No time for silly "knowledge transfers", or "onboarding new team members". You jus…

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Re: Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

#132

Here's a cool and perhaps unforeseen hypothetical turn-of-events: 100% of Twitter's staff give their resignation letter on Friday, and don't show up to work. Leadership wakes up to a collapsing platform, a 44 billion USD bill to pay, with no one to keep the lights on or answer the PagerDuty alerts. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes? No time for silly "knowledge transfers", or "onboarding new team members". You jus…

Sounds like something i would love to do. Musk, the peepole farmer, would be in for a treat. But those who wish to fill in their social voids with onsite work wouldn't be game.

Re: Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

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The job climate is such, with lots of SV layoffs, that this requirement will probably work now where it wouldn't have worked six months ago (engs would have jumped from Twitter to another SV co)

A lot of Twitter employees live nowhere near SV, or even an office. The only way to interpret this is that Musk either wants to force more people to leave, or doesn't realize that they're going to leave as a result of this move.

Re: Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

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Strangely enough I think this is the first objectively bad decision he has made since owning Twitter. The others are questionable for sure but this is a good way to lose your best engineers to companies that will respect them.

I think blindly firing employees with low code counts is an objectively bad decision that ignores a lot of nuance and likely lost a lot of great engineers to companies that will respect them.

The idea that all lines of code are equal (in difficulty) is so absurd as to (in my memory) have been never discussed on HN before. Everyone here knows it. How could Elon not?

Re: Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

#138

Whatsapp had 1B users with far fewer eng, why is Twitter so big? Here is my back of the envelope math of how big I think the company should be for their main offering. Over the past years Twitter has acquired a ton of companies, but I'm going to leave them out of this equation. Eng (250) =========== Backend/Storage: 100 eng Subscriptions: 50 Front-End: 50 eng iOS App: 20 eng Android App: 20 eng UX: 10 Abuse/Moderatio…

Twitter isn't the same product(s) as Whatsapp. That difference is noticeable within 1 minute of opening both applications.

Yes, WhatsApp seem more complex.

In all seriousness, I think many of us are falling into the trap that the PayPal guy fell into. Twitter isn't just the app and the website. So it's much harder to run and maintain than it seems like from the outside. If it was just the Tweets, why would they ever need more than 10 iOS developers for instance?

If we cut Twitter into what it is on the surface, and perhaps lose some data retention, then sliming down the engineering organization significantly should be possible with the right people. Not to 50, that's really low for a platform the size of Twitter. That being said: 7500 employees is also way to many for what they do, or at least for how little money they make.

Re: Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

#139

Here's a cool and perhaps unforeseen hypothetical turn-of-events: 100% of Twitter's staff give their resignation letter on Friday, and don't show up to work. Leadership wakes up to a collapsing platform, a 44 billion USD bill to pay, with no one to keep the lights on or answer the PagerDuty alerts. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes? No time for silly "knowledge transfers", or "onboarding new team members". You jus…

Don't typical contracts for people like Twitter's staff in the US come with timing requirements on quitting? As in, you can't really quit "on the day", you have to leave proper notice and so on?

I understand that in practice once someone says "I quit!" there might be little interest from the employer to keep them around, but in a scenario like you outline I would be very afraid of legal ramifications.

Just a thought, I don't really have an opinion here, Twitter is pretty "meh" in my view. I of course hope it ends well for the employees!

Edit: spelling, and fix weird final double bang.

Re: Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

#140

The one-sidedness of the comments in this thread surprise me. If you want to work remotely, don’t work at Twitter. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with Musk thinking it’s more beneficial for his employees to work in the office. He has goals and methods of working towards them. He wants likeminded people to work towards those goals. Can you really not think of pros and cons of either situation? To give my opinion, if…

Taking the benefit away from employees currently exercising it (with zero grace period) is a little different than someone joining a company knowing they don't do remote work from the start.

I'm not saying it makes Elon Musk a bad person (I think he's a bad person for plenty of other reasons), but I do think it's a poorly thought out move on his part that will cause some of the better employees that survived the layoffs to quit.

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