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Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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They still have the problem of "Hi-Speed" being the slowest speed. They should've killed that name off too and required that manufacturers use the designation ½Gbps to be in line with the other speeds.

Since "Hi-Speed" does not actually offer high speed, I suggest we rename it to just "Speed".

How about Ludicrous Speed?

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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Given the terrible product naming[1] most hardware companies[2] have, at this point I’ve just come to the conclusion that most people in command don’t have any idea of how other people behave and reason. [1]: Sony WF-1000XM3 are AirPods competitors, but you’d never tell your friends about your Sony WF-1000XM3 [2]: Except Apple and a handful others

Sometimes I wonder if that's intentional. You won't suggest the WF-1000XM3, so you recommend "the Sony ones", and your friend goes to their preferred store where the XM3 is unavailable/out of stock and just orders some lower quality/older generation Sony ones rather than a competitor

But then that friend hates his earbuds and tells everyone how much Sony products suck. So in the end it hurts the brand. That's why having a small set of quality products with good names is best.

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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Just don't expect to get more than ~20 Gbps due to undocumented controller bottlenecks.

Look up how much 10Gbit Ethernet hardware costs, and you'll find that 20Gbps is already a great value at this time.

10G is fairly cheap but yeah, it's not as cheap as built-in Thunderbolt. (Also, attaching a 10G NIC to a laptop costs far more than the NIC.)

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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Given the terrible product naming[1] most hardware companies[2] have, at this point I’ve just come to the conclusion that most people in command don’t have any idea of how other people behave and reason. [1]: Sony WF-1000XM3 are AirPods competitors, but you’d never tell your friends about your Sony WF-1000XM3 [2]: Except Apple and a handful others

Sony has done a better job with other lines -- with Walkman, Discman, Vaio [Letter], PlayStation, Alpha, Aibo, and such. When they have a huge array of products, as with cameras or headphones, they soon become unnameable. They do have a set of headphone models called "LinkBuds" now, though. So they're not as clueless as you think.

> So they're not as clueless as you think.

One point for you, 34 for me:

https://electronics.sony.com/audio/headphones/c/all-headphon...

They still look pretty clueless to me.

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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It's even worse. A 20W USB-PD charger might indeed put out 20W, but not at the voltage your device needs . It might put out 20W at one voltage, but only 10W at another. The whole thing is a goddamn mess, and it's a mess because the alliance is a cartel, not an actually useful technical standards group. They're a bunch of fat swine contributing little to nothing but extorting licensing fees from everyone.

For the last 5 or 10 years, USB has seemed like a standard designed to make you purchase more than what you need. Whether it's the capability of the cable or the number of cables (through trying to rectify disappointing purchases). I'm sick of everything they are.

I only buy the maximal cables as the other family members in the house assume all cables are equivalent. So I have to ensure that is true. Grr!

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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Those are irrelevant? Consumers only care about: speed and wattage. You're technically never supposed to care or even know about which USB standard it is, all of those Gen 3.2 2x2 aren't supposed to be consumer facing. USB 3.2 Gen 2×2 “consumer” name is^W was "SuperSpeed USB 20 Gbps" that is what USB-IF been suggesting since the beginning. However, to use that name, they have to submit to testing and compliance. Othe…

As long as there are no two different standards that are capable of the same wattage and speed There are. USB 3.2 Gen 1x2 and 3.2 Gen 2 are both nominally 10Gbps but use different signaling.

Yes, but the result is the same. USB 3.2 Gen 2 will downgrade to USB 3.2 Gen 1x2. But also, I've never seen USB 3.2 Gen 1x2 device in real world.

For the consumer, the difference is negligible.

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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The whole concept of "SuperSpeed" made it more difficult to understand what was going on, so I'm very glad to see it go. A rare hiccup in the USB consortium's otherwise unbroken streak of making each generation more difficult to understand. The all-time prize has to go to the German wine producers, though, who regard a wine named "2001 Selbach-Oster Wehlener Sonnenheur Riesling Spaetlese Feinherb" as very precise and…

> 2001 Selbach-Oster Wehlener Sonnenheur Riesling Spaetlese Feinherb It is a dry (feinherb) white (Riesling is a white wine berry variety) wine that has been harvested late in the season (Spätlese), making it have a higher alcohol level. Wehlener Sonnenheur is a geographical vineyard location (should probably read Wehlener Sonnenuhr, which is semi-famous and located at the Mosel, near Bernkastel), Selbach-Oster is th…

Oops, thanks for the correction. I let my poor French bleed into my poor German. I have even stayed in Wehlen at the Gasthaus Prüm so it's especially embarrassing.

I think your point is relevant to USB, though! The USB folks know what all the words mean. They know what a USB 3.4 Gen 2 cable is, and what a PD cable is, and what a SuperSpeed cable is. Because they are the experts. It's not complicated to them, just as the wine description is, truly, not complicated to you. But your average person who just wants to connect their monitor to their laptop is left adrift.

P.S. that wine (well, the fruchtig version, not the feinherb) is one of my very favorites.

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/co... > the Ethernet over USB4 interdomain protocol, also known as USB4NET enables two USB4 PCs to establish a network connection between each other when connected using a USB4 cable, akin to connecting an ethernet cable between network cards on two PCs. I wrote about this a month ago at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32714807 it gets confusing because t…

It's rather unfortunate that you still have dig so deep to look up the auto-assigned IPs and then manually type them in Explorer. It really ought to be as simple as file transfers from a PC to a phone - plug the cable, each side gets a prompt on whether it wants to provide access, and once you confirm, the other end shows it in the drive/device tree in Explorer.

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Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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They could introduce color coded rings like resistors have.

The color coded rings on resistors is a mightily bad idea, at least as implemented on resistors. I'm not that colorblind, I see traffic lights, fruits between leaves and other things others have problems with, basically everything except resistor rings and distant lighthouse colors (yes, the colors on a map make sense, but trying to decode them IRL is as hard as resistor codes.)

The worst thing is resistors with weird background colors for the color bands. I can usually figure out beige resistors, but the blue ones? no chance of getting those right.
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