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Dogs that go to a no kill shelter get transferred to the kill shelter if they aren’t adopted
Yeah there’s not a magical supply of no-kills, and even if they are they fill up darn fast.
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Yes. The amount of people leaping straight to law in this thread is alarming, and I believe that that reflex is a cultural sickness. Why do we as a people bother producing things like Hallmark movies if this is the awful reality of american life, devoid of sentimentality, kindness and patience? I hope people consume such media because they aspire for things to be better some day.
This is a story of stupid parents. They waited until the day of to bother doing anything. Then they absconded with the animal after it had been auctioned. They should absolutely be allowed to back out of the auction with reasonable notice. And I can empathise—if someone came for my pets I’d do what was necessary, the law be damned. But they proceeded idiotically and are now filing petty suits against the cops of all…
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> If she bonded that closely to the animal they should have kept it on the property and not brought it to the 4H show. What are you talking about? They kept it on property and law enforcement agents turned up (without a warant, inserting themselves into a civil dispute) and stole their goat. This is the contentious point. What business did those law enforcement agents had to enter their private property and steal a g…
> What business did those law enforcement agents had to enter their private property and steal a goat from them? You can’t use property rights to defend the parents. The goat had been auctioned. Arguing for the family is arguing for a compassionate carve-out from regular property rights.
The law enforcer cannot trespass the land especially if he is not from their state. Some states also allow these out of state law enforcer to be exterminated on probable cause as well. Dox these law enforcers names and also the fair's committee. Election is coming. Everything is legal during election time including doxing.
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Yes. Animals are tools and can be regarded as property. I do support regulations in how animals should be raised and treated, but regarding them on the same level as humans is fallacy. I've seen your evidence and it has failed to change my mind. Especially since a vegan diet isn't suitable or healthy for everyone. If it works for you, great. Follow your heart.
In your view - what makes an animal property? Is it OK to make your property suffer and kill it? And if so, why? And where did I say animals should be regarded the same as humans? The point is animals can suffer and they avoid pain if they can - just like we do. They seek happiness and safety - just like we do. Yet we breed them in the billions and put them in horrible living conditions just so we can have burger. It…
I have first hand experience with someone in my immediate family who was unable to sustain a vegan diet. She became anemic and was ill 6 to 10 times a year. Iron supplements did help, but only enough to bring levels up to the lower bounds of normal. This went on for years. After reintroducing some amount of animal protein, her health and iron levels improved dramatically.
If you want to change someone's mind you could be less condescending. Right now, you are acting like the arrogant vegan stereotype. Do better.
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In your view - what makes an animal property? Is it OK to make your property suffer and kill it? And if so, why? And where did I say animals should be regarded the same as humans? The point is animals can suffer and they avoid pain if they can - just like we do. They seek happiness and safety - just like we do. Yet we breed them in the billions and put them in horrible living conditions just so we can have burger. It…
I have first hand experience with someone in my immediate family who was unable to sustain a vegan diet. She became anemic and was ill 6 to 10 times a year. Iron supplements did help, but only enough to bring levels up to the lower bounds of normal. This went on for years. After reintroducing some amount of animal protein, her health and iron levels improved dramatically. If you want to change someone's mind you coul…
Sorry, I didn’t mean to be condescending. Just sharing my sources.
I merely replied to your statement that a plant based is not healthy and pointing to PCRM. How is that condescending?
Of course there are edge cases, ie if someone has medical issues and can’t survive without meat and nothing else works then that’s a different matter.
You might find this useful https://nutritionguide.pcrm.org/nutritionguide/view/Nutritio...
Which bits were condescending to you? So I can adjust my wording and not come across condescending.
Could it be that you have a strong bias against folks who are vegan because some have a holier than though attitude? And you apply that bias towards me?
Curious to know your answers to my other questions, why you regard other sentient beings as tools and property and what gives us the right to enslave and kill those beings if our survival doesn’t depend on it.
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My premise is that if we showed kids the realities of slaughterhouses and the impact that animal farming has on our biosphere and all the other externalities - I believe most would not want to support this. Imagine we had a children's book that would convey these facts in a manner kids understand more easily. And yet we hide these facts from children and we tell them to eat meat and drink milk because they need it fo…
This is called moving the goalposts. You could just as easily advocate for more humane slaughter house conditions but you are instead using bad actors (claiming this is how ALL animals are slaughtered) to call for a vegan lifestyle.
Let's define vegan for a moment.
Vegan = reduce suffering and cruelty to other sentient beings as practically as possible. So this means the only justification for killing an animal to consume its flesh is when our survival depends on it. That is not the case anymore for the majority of people.
My premise is around the large scale factory farm industry, which not only causes immense suffering and cruelty, but also causes great pollution and environmental destruction.
Feeding the whole world with meat is not sustainable.
That's not moving the goalpost, but a fact (See UN, IPPC and various other reports).
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#137Reminds me of VT agriculture college that upset the town residents when they learned the 2 scenic cows were planned to be slaughtered. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/01/colleg...
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This is called moving the goalposts. You could just as easily advocate for more humane slaughter house conditions but you are instead using bad actors (claiming this is how ALL animals are slaughtered) to call for a vegan lifestyle.
Let's define vegan for a moment. Vegan = reduce suffering and cruelty to other sentient beings as practically as possible. So this means the only justification for killing an animal to consume its flesh is when our survival depends on it. That is not the case anymore for the majority of people. My premise is around the large scale factory farm industry, which not only causes immense suffering and cruelty, but also ca…
More poultry and meat means more co2 capture.
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Let's define vegan for a moment. Vegan = reduce suffering and cruelty to other sentient beings as practically as possible. So this means the only justification for killing an animal to consume its flesh is when our survival depends on it. That is not the case anymore for the majority of people. My premise is around the large scale factory farm industry, which not only causes immense suffering and cruelty, but also ca…
More poultry and meat means more co2 capture.
So following that logic we should eat more meat to reduce global heating and keep it below or at 1.5C increase as urged by the IPCC?