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Re: Crowdsource by Google

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Post by PoignardAzur »

amelius wrote: post #85
asim wrote: post #58

I was always a huge fan of Google from the late 90s onwards and was employed their from 2011 to 2013. I continue to use their services to this day. Unfortunately no matter how much you like something, when any one entity amasses this much power it's bound to make you a bit uncomfortable. I wish Google did more to anonymize and potentially distribute this kind of tech in a way that enabled anyone to run it. At the sca…

> Ultimately crowdsource leads to UBI powered by Google. It's inevitable. UBI also provides income when the recipient performs no work at all for whatever reason. Why would a company support that?

I know this is a hot take, but Google isn't literally evil. If there's a future when the entire world becomes a work-free utopia, they're not going to stop it just to make sure they can send children to coal mines while twirling their moustaches.

The fact that Google supports major open-source projects today is a good indicator that they're perfectly capable of participating in widely beneficial projects that only benefit them indirectly.

Re: Crowdsource by Google

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Post by natly »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #53
cute_boi wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes! They can provide both filtered & unfiltered data.

I imagine there would be some serious legal concerns with releasing the raw data (I work for Google, but no special insights into this project)

If you're not gonna release the data, then don't do the project in the first place (especially not under the implication that it'll be shared with everyone). Saying in hindsight "oh we can't release all the data due to sensitivity issues" is just weaseling your way to keeping the most valuable data to yourselves as if the stated issues couldn't have been predicted.

Re: Crowdsource by Google

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

hiptobecubic wrote: post #129
asim wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might be true and I believe you but that doesn't change the fact that I'm more and more deeply uncomfortable handing over more and more personal data to a single large entity who basically knows as much about my life as I do. The single rogue employee might not be able to do much but inevitably all these companies suffer leaks, hacks and whatever else. Google is not immune to this. Machine learning is also a bla…

People are always worried about Google or FB doing something nefarious, but in all honesty it's going to be your local dentist or something that leaks all your private info and gets your identity stolen and life ruined.

Yes, precisely. With Google etc. the concern is less "rogue employee" and more... rogue corporate motives/incentives.

Re: Crowdsource by Google

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Post by SkyMarshal »

jackblemming wrote: post #11

Does anyone else hate what corporations have done to the word "delightful"? All the corporate art is so homogeneous too. Also a trillion dollar plus market cap company trying to get free labor? Seriously?

> Does anyone else hate what corporations have done to the word "delightful"?

Yes, and also to the word "exciting", the most overused word in the history of all human language.

Re: Crowdsource by Google

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Post by bsenftner »

rytill wrote: post #125
bsenftner wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UBI is the "forever ticket" that insures the status quo when UBI is institutued will be the people in power forevermore. UBI is the means in which the 1% seal their and our fates forever, because there is zero incentive to change or improve a system where all power and decisions are performed by ignored automation for a powerless, uneducated and education-incapable 99%, while the 1% in power wallow in excess.

How would UBI make the power gap larger than it already is?

UBI creates a welfare state with a culture that does not need to work to live, so many would-be STEM professionals simply become tailgate partiers for life. A culture is created as a result of UBI that is detrimental to education and scientific advances.

Re: Crowdsource by Google

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Post by rytill »

bsenftner wrote: post #135
rytill wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would UBI make the power gap larger than it already is?

UBI creates a welfare state with a culture that does not need to work to live, so many would-be STEM professionals simply become tailgate partiers for life. A culture is created as a result of UBI that is detrimental to education and scientific advances.

What if it wasn’t enough to live on, but enough to significantly impact the ability for the poorest to survive? Say $3600/yr = $300/mo.

Don’t you think that could increase the pool of STEM candidates from poor families without creating a large new subculture like you’re describing?

That being said, I don’t think even a greater UBI would decrease STEM candidacy. UBI would have to be massive before people stop wanting to be in STEM. If anything, the problem would be that we lose the bottom rung of unskilled labor.

Re: Crowdsource by Google

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Post by bsenftner »

rytill wrote: post #136
bsenftner wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UBI creates a welfare state with a culture that does not need to work to live, so many would-be STEM professionals simply become tailgate partiers for life. A culture is created as a result of UBI that is detrimental to education and scientific advances.

What if it wasn’t enough to live on, but enough to significantly impact the ability for the poorest to survive? Say $3600/yr = $300/mo. Don’t you think that could increase the pool of STEM candidates from poor families without creating a large new subculture like you’re describing? That being said, I don’t think even a greater UBI would decrease STEM candidacy. UBI would have to be massive before people stop wanting…

I'd love to see an outcome as you describe. I'm doubtful.

Re: Crowdsource by Google

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Post by bsenftner »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #112
bsenftner wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UBI is the "forever ticket" that insures the status quo when UBI is institutued will be the people in power forevermore. UBI is the means in which the 1% seal their and our fates forever, because there is zero incentive to change or improve a system where all power and decisions are performed by ignored automation for a powerless, uneducated and education-incapable 99%, while the 1% in power wallow in excess.

How will the 1% in power get others to work for them?

How do they now? Starvation, place to sleep, criminalizing homelessness. With UBI, the excuses cease and criminalization doubles down. UBI is a trick, folks, do not fall for it!
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