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Re: Crowdsource by Google

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How will the 1% in power get others to work for them?

> How will the 1% in power get others to work for them? Tens of millions of Americans can effortlessly live in luxury relative to our ancestors. Most of us on this forum could retire to a poorer country and live comfortably off savings alone. We don’t.

Yes, my question was intended to lead to the answer of “the 1% having to pay them”. As in UBI will give lower wage workers a better negotiating position from which to extract more wealth/power from the 1%.

Re: Crowdsource by Google

#122

One of the tasks in this app is audio validation: > Audio validation: Listen to a short audio clip and determine if the pronunciation sounds natural in your language. If this is something you're interested in doing, I recommend contributing to Mozilla's Common Voice instead. Common Voice builds freely licensed (CC-0) voice datasets that can be used by anyone, not just Google: https://commonvoice.mozilla.org

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Finite time: dedicate it to the freely licensed org, not the company with 30++Billion in profits. They can pay people to do this

Re: Crowdsource by Google

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Your aggressive tone is completely inappropriate, especially considering that you are mostly wrong. They have released a single dataset, and specifically state on the site that only some of the data will be open sourced. So, perhaps it is you who should be reading further. "Google shares some Crowdsource data via open-sourcing, for the benefit of the global research and developer communities. This includes the 400,00…

First, they've released three datasets, not one. It's wild to expect they'd release all of the data, both legally and ethically. Publishing data that turns out to be garbage is worse than publishing no data at all. Publishing unfiltered user generated content when they also have the resources to evaluate quality is silly. They've built and maintained the site that nobody else is seemingly building and offering. They'…

The GP made sarcastic commentary about Google keeping and using this community-generated data to empower themselves. Your response was to belittle them and arrogantly claim that Google is releasing the data. You were then shown that Google is only releasing a small (as implied by "some") subset of data publicly, which makes the GP's claim mostly true.

But now for inexplicable reasons, instead of just apologizing to the GP for being rude, you're scrambling to apologize for a corporation whose entire existence is notoriously based around collecting, abusing and selling user data, while also brazenly colluding with all of the other big companies to accomplish that abuse.

And for the record, the "three" datasets you're attempting to nitpick -- again without doing any of your own research, but instead quoting some other comment -- are actually just three partial subsets of the same Open Images[1] dataset, which itself is one of many datasets. So, they've still only released (and intend to release) a small portion of the overall data.

Your only intent was to make someone on the internet feel stupid, when in reality they were mostly correct, and you are still mostly wrong. Your previous comment got flagged to death. Take the hint. Doubling down isn't productive.

[1] https://storage.googleapis.com/openimages/web/index.html

Re: Crowdsource by Google

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> Ultimately crowdsource leads to UBI powered by Google. It's inevitable. UBI also provides income when the recipient performs no work at all for whatever reason. Why would a company support that?

UBI is the "forever ticket" that insures the status quo when UBI is institutued will be the people in power forevermore. UBI is the means in which the 1% seal their and our fates forever, because there is zero incentive to change or improve a system where all power and decisions are performed by ignored automation for a powerless, uneducated and education-incapable 99%, while the 1% in power wallow in excess.

How would UBI make the power gap larger than it already is?

Re: Crowdsource by Google

#127

So many comments bemoaning a company benefiting from the free labour of others. Wait until they hear about open source software, they'll do their nut!

Curious as to why this is getting downvoted? It's literally how the economics of open source software works. Vanishingly few companies put back anything like the value they extract from the open source ecosystem and many, many projects are funded overwhelmingly by the free labour and effort of their committers.

With Open Source everyone can benefit, including a company. In this case here only Google benefits.

Re: Crowdsource by Google

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I was expecting to be pessimistic, but Google actually releases the datasets under a permissive license (CC-By 4.0). Awesome! https://research.google/tools/datasets/open-images-extended-... https://github.com/google-research-datasets/hiertext

Btw what do those 'data cards' actually do? Can you get sued for going against it? Does it conflict with the permissive license or does that take precedence?

It's a strange ML term to describe the data's metadata.

Re: Crowdsource by Google

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I agree with many of your points, but re: employees frankly internal systems at Google are pretty heavily audited and locked down not just in regards to PII but in regards to any queries against e.g. log data that try to narrow data down to small result sets. I can't speak to these ML data sets, but I was at Google 2011-2021 and in my time I believe I applied for and got log data access twice and the restrictions wer…

That might be true and I believe you but that doesn't change the fact that I'm more and more deeply uncomfortable handing over more and more personal data to a single large entity who basically knows as much about my life as I do. The single rogue employee might not be able to do much but inevitably all these companies suffer leaks, hacks and whatever else. Google is not immune to this. Machine learning is also a bla…

People are always worried about Google or FB doing something nefarious, but in all honesty it's going to be your local dentist or something that leaks all your private info and gets your identity stolen and life ruined.
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