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DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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I use DDG as my default search engine, along with NoScript in the browser. Often when I visit a new website, I peruse the (long) list of domains that the site is trying to pull javascripts from. I keep most of those source sites in UNTRUSTED status (including some of the big names in search/ads/etc). But I've always had DDG in the TRUSTED category because I had only seen its javascript before on the main DDG website.…

> (Unfortunately NoScript has a limitation that you can't tell it to "only TRUST javascript from example.com when I'm visiting example.com"). uMatrix (which I'm using in desktop Firefox) works exactly like this. Plus it allows you to forbid/allow cookies, styles, images, scripts, media, XHR, and iframes separately (for each origin/domain).

uBlock Origin in advanced mode also supports this (although only scripts/frames/images, not the full uMatrix list).

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

#132

Question: does anyone actually know what DDG does with user data? Like they market themselves as a "privacy respecting" search engine, but how much of this is truth? I'd imagine there's good money in convincing people they have privacy because then they'll provide more interesting data. Has the company ever been audited? Why should they be trusted to not compromise user privacy? Imo at least Google is honest: you kno…

If Duck really collects user data, the moment this is found out, they’re dead, so for that reason alone, they probably don’t do it. The alternative is that they’re betting everything on nobody ever finding out which sounds crazy.

Lately, almost every conspiracy theory has been proven true. Or a more outrageous conspiracy theory is based on somewhat less aggravating true facts, that are then misconstrued as a more far fetched conspiracy:-)

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post #45

I suspect this is largely due to DDG using Bing under the hood, which has led to similar weirdness in the past, eg all major porn sites disappearing from the results in Singapore (while Google still showed them, mind you!). Still super disappointing though, and yet another reason why trying to build a better search engine on top of someone else's tech is a non-starter.

Having worked on Google's indexing system, I can't imagine how much it would cost to write all of the crawling and indexing code from scratch, and then run it on over the visible web. You need to bootstrap somehow form an existing index if you want to get anywhere in any reasonable time. If there's a market for alternative search engines out there, AWS is already serving so much of the web that Amazon should really p…

Amazon ran A9.com as a search engine from 2004 to 2008. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A9.com#A9.com_search_portal

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

#134
DDG sucks in many ways. Besides the engine performing quite poorly, it also relies on third parties and so will return filtered results they may not even control. They also never supported IPv6 and are hosted at Microsoft or Amazon.

IMO, there is no credible search engine today.

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

#135

What about archive.org? Will they delist that too? That definitely contains a lot of copyright-infringing data. Where will this end? Pirate Bay actually contains a lot of non-infringing items too. Who watches the watchers?

> Pirate Bay actually contains a lot of non-infringing items too. Wait, what have they got? Actual Linux ISOs?

And public domain content, and content licensed for free distribution, and abandoned software. The good stuff is there too, but the legit free stuff isn't all bad.

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post #127

Question: does anyone actually know what DDG does with user data? Like they market themselves as a "privacy respecting" search engine, but how much of this is truth? I'd imagine there's good money in convincing people they have privacy because then they'll provide more interesting data. Has the company ever been audited? Why should they be trusted to not compromise user privacy? Imo at least Google is honest: you kno…

I read about a Github issue [1] where someone reports that all websites a user clicks on to DDG servers. Reading the employee's response was eye opening. They literally do not care if it has a bad look, they just say "we don't collect your personal information." What??? They are literally admitting to collecting domains in the feed of the Github issue but then just copy and paste their manifesto and expect us to thin…

This needs more visibility

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using Kagi ( https://kagi.com ) for a few months and it's been great. It's free while in beta but will be funded by subscription fees afterward. The killer feature for me is the ability to up-rank and down-rank sites in my personal results, which has been really helpful for curating my tech-related searches. It allows me to quickly find high-quality docs and eliminate the garbage.

I’ve been using Kagi as my primary browser for a while. My only complaint about so far has nothing to do with Kagi itself, I just wish I could set it as my primary search engine in Safari.

I've set it as my primary search engine in Firefox, it looks like there are instructions here about how to do the same in safari: https://kagi.com/faq#default

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I forgot about that! What a missed opportunity that was for this country. He's exactly the sort of person we need to see more of in politics.

His campaign was much more about electoral reform than copyright reform. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Lessig_2016_president... Which is broadly more important than copyright reform…and broadly Americans don’t seem to particularly care about either of them all that much.

Either would have been a win as far as I’m concerned.

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

#139

Question: does anyone actually know what DDG does with user data? Like they market themselves as a "privacy respecting" search engine, but how much of this is truth? I'd imagine there's good money in convincing people they have privacy because then they'll provide more interesting data. Has the company ever been audited? Why should they be trusted to not compromise user privacy? Imo at least Google is honest: you kno…

Here's my take:

Duckduckgo could easily be fully owned and operated by some three letter agency. The NSA is already able to go onsite and tap into the data that passes through corporations and they've been doing exactly that for decades (see Room 641A) and they can force corporations to keep silent about it using national security letters. You should already assume that every US based company is sending every scrap of data you give them to the state.

With no way to avoid your data from going to the state, what are you left with? Worries over companies collecting, selling, and using your data against you. That's a very real and perfectly valid concern.

We know that other search engines are doing those things, so it's best not to use them if we can avoid it. Duckduckgo might be doing those things, which at least gives us a chance, and even if they are it'd be better to hand your data over to several different companies than to give them all to one source (like Google for example) because the more data points any one company has on you the more control they have over you.

The worst case scenario would be that Duckduckgo is actually secretly run by Google and the data being collecting from the service is being used to help fill your dossier at Google but if that's the case we're never going to know about it until a whistleblower comes forward.

As defeatist as this all sounds, I do believe in taking steps to try to protect your privacy where you can, and I take many steps that go far beyond what most people are willing to, but we also have to accept the reality of the situation we have where our laws and regulations do not protect us, and there is very little we can do to protect ourselves but depend on others to do what they say. That's why I use duckduckgo right now. not because it's trustworthy (we can't know that), but because they might be and that's (sadly) the best option we have at the moment.

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

#140

DDG sucks in many ways. Besides the engine performing quite poorly, it also relies on third parties and so will return filtered results they may not even control. They also never supported IPv6 and are hosted at Microsoft or Amazon. IMO, there is no credible search engine today.

> are hosted at Microsoft or Amazon

I agree with most of what you are saying but this is silly. I get "Microsoft and Amazon bad" but basically saying "host your own infrastructure worldwide and index your own corpus or you are a bad actor is rather inane.

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