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Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Apparently it also includes people who donated to their cause. A peaceful, non-violent cause. Wow. North Korea, look out!

Except it’s really not that anymore. Constant noise disruptions, gridlocking the city…it’s causing harm and the protests have damaged property, businesses and even gone as far to dance on the war memorials. These are not our best people.

Dancing!? Traffic? Loudness? Those savages. Meanwhile literally firebombing a church gets the thumbs up from trudeau.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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post #35

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That is just one side of the slippery slope though. Assuming we took this recommendation as a rule, it seems that a convoy of truckers could organize, shut down an economy, and force an election any time they disagreed with something. This does not seem like a recipe for effective government.

No? It seems a recipe for a perfect government. Whenever X% of the population wants that much to throw down the government, that's probably a good time for a remodel. Might not be as effective as a dictatorship or a oligarchy, sure, must a much better government to live under.

I mean, that's what elections and votes of no confidence are about. And we just HAD a fully democratic election, less than 6 months ago - which is as fresh at it gets in Canadian terms.

This is not necessarily the case where majority of population desire a federal government change, or even disagree with public health policies.

Just because these guys really Really REALLY want to "Fuck Trudeau", does not make it overall representative. And see my other post - majority of public health policy in Canada is at provincial level, including lockdowns, masks, and majority of other restrictions. Ontario & Alberta are under conservative governments. But some people just want to see things burn and will empathize with anything that goes in that direction :)

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Another day, another answer to "what is Bitcoin good for?"

That only applies if you can pay everything in btc. According to coindesk, the same AML laws now apply to crypto (at least temporarily), and can be used to stop transactions from/to groups that are undesirable. https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2022/02/15/canadas-trudeau-e...

As we saw with WikiLeaks, one thing is what the law says, and something else is what the government can actually do. In the case of WikiLeaks the government did a lot of things that the law clearly didn't permit; Bitcoin, by contrast, keeps authoritarian governments from doing undesirable things even if they pass laws that permit them.

To "freeze" my Bitcoin "account" you'd have to steal my phone and then bruteforce the PIN before I used the seed phrase to sweep the coins into a different wallet on a new phone. Not impossible by any means, but of similar difficulty to imprisoning me. I have other coins that are stored under a different seed phrase that isn't on my phone, and there are people with safer storage than that. If the government was in a position to imprison all the protestors they wouldn't be trying to target their bank accounts.

Of course centralized crowdfunding platforms and payment service providers aren't any safer than centralized banks, whether they use Bitcoin, dollars, or yuan. But your Bitcoin wallet is definitely a lot safer than your bank account from being frozen out from under you, unless it's something like a Binance account or a Coinbase account.

Generally people don't "pay everything in btc", both because of the transaction costs (33¢ in my most recent transaction, but often as high as US$8) and because not many sellers accept BTC; instead they exchange the BTC for local currencies that are more widely accepted and have lower transaction costs.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Bitcoin fixes this.

No it doesn't - they're authorised to crack down on funders, including via crypo and crowdfunding.

While your premise is true (they're authorized to crack down on funders via crypto) your conclusion (Bitcoin doesn't fix this) doesn't follow from it. Please see my discussion in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30346082.

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You could describe MLK’s protests as disruptive, causing gridlock, damaging to businesses, etc. BLM protestors danced on and destroyed statues as well. The whole point of protest is to be disruptive. Being anti-vax is super stupid but protesting government mandates (or systemic racism, or anything) should be allowed.

The whole point of an escalated protest is being willing to accept the consequences. If you park illegally, you expect to get a parking ticket, protest or no. You expect your vehicle to get towed. If you defy a court injunction, you expect to spend the night in jail. The people chaining themselves to trees expect to get arrested and spend time in jail. They also expect that their time in jail will help their cause. B…

Uh no. The point is to get what you’re demanding.

Why do you think protesters get defense attorneys? Why do you think all but the most extreme cry “first offense”? Why do you think college students are the most prolific protesters? To avoid punishment.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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post #36
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Another day, another answer to "what is Bitcoin good for?"

For not having to dox contributors and have their past and future transactions public from the start instead? https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/02/11/1045281/ottawa-a...

It's true that Bitcoin has privacy problems, but it doesn't have the problem where your wallet just suddenly stops working because of unlawful government action and you have no recourse. Even at privacy, it's not clear that it's worse than the banking system when your adversary is the government.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Just because the corporate-owned media reports their cause in a negative light, doesn't mean public opinion has turned on them. In fact people were lining the streets as they made their way to Ottawa.

Most people I know think they are assholes and should go away. Also check out r/Ottawa on Reddit where the sentiment is solidly against them. I think you're right about one thing though. Opinion hasn't "turned" on them because it was never with them in the first place.

Reddit has always leaned heavily left. Just look at the front page and the cesspool that is /r/politics.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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The whole point of an escalated protest is being willing to accept the consequences. If you park illegally, you expect to get a parking ticket, protest or no. You expect your vehicle to get towed. If you defy a court injunction, you expect to spend the night in jail. The people chaining themselves to trees expect to get arrested and spend time in jail. They also expect that their time in jail will help their cause. B…

Uh no. The point is to get what you’re demanding. Why do you think protesters get defense attorneys? Why do you think all but the most extreme cry “first offense”? Why do you think college students are the most prolific protesters? To avoid punishment.

The point is to signal that you're willing to get arrested. That shows you're committed. If you're not willing to get arrested for your cause, some can accuse you of virtue signalling.

They don't actually want to get arrested, but they do want to signal that they won't stop protesting just because they risk getting arrested.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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post #109

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What if they make up new laws?

A government? Making up laws? I think that’s literally called “a day ending in ‘y’”. You may or may not have a higher power to defend you against bad laws, depending on your constitution and/or your government being e.g. treaty bound to an institution equivalent to the European Court of Human Rights.

Create new, targeted laws quickly.

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