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Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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post #86

Refusing service when the user does not consent to non-essential data sharing is illegal in the EU, and it also breaches Google Play's developer agreement. WiFi scanning is not essential to navigate with an app, and the least they could do to follow the law is to gracefully degrade the service if the user does not consent to share data about nearby devices, such as disabling traffic predictions. Of course Google's la…

Can't believe I'm on this side of the debate, but at what point are we asking too much for free? Google provide Maps for free to an incredible accuracy and value. Unlike Apple, the user is welcome to use any other app, and yet chooses to use Google Maps. You could maybe argue that Google Maps is part of a package you bought the phone for, but realistically I think the solution is Google are just open about the use of…

Selling organs is illegal. Maybe selling your personal / environmental data is too.

Anyone can charge money for access to an app to compensate for value of data.

> and offers a paid solution that doesn't track you.

of Maps?

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

#132
post #70

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We had one on our street called FuckOffAndGetYourOwn which I always liked

I've always been partial to ones named like "NSA Monitor 3AB9D4"

I have my phone's hot-spot named Surveillance van no. 42, and an open guest wifi for whoever needs it called It's nice to be nice

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

#133
post #86

Refusing service when the user does not consent to non-essential data sharing is illegal in the EU, and it also breaches Google Play's developer agreement. WiFi scanning is not essential to navigate with an app, and the least they could do to follow the law is to gracefully degrade the service if the user does not consent to share data about nearby devices, such as disabling traffic predictions. Of course Google's la…

Can't believe I'm on this side of the debate, but at what point are we asking too much for free? Google provide Maps for free to an incredible accuracy and value. Unlike Apple, the user is welcome to use any other app, and yet chooses to use Google Maps. You could maybe argue that Google Maps is part of a package you bought the phone for, but realistically I think the solution is Google are just open about the use of…

They don't have to offer it for free. But I bet that if they stopped, someone else would.

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

#134
post #105

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> Bonus points for bogus names like "Starbucks Wifi" or "McDonalds Free Wifi" in the middle of the highway. Is the goal to make Google Maps publish a Starbucks/McDonalds in the middle of the highway? I can't imagine they would use the SSID as a source for building location.

No, the SSIDs are used to assist the GPS on where the user is located. Likewise, the data is used to triangulate a user in a specific business/location without needing access to GPS (some more nefarious uses: user is connected to "Joe's Psychiatry Wifi" every Wednesday, maybe we could group the user as a depressed adult for advertisers).

> No, the SSIDs are used to assist the GPS on where the user is located.

and vice versa, GPS is used to assist on where the SSIDs are located.

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

#135
post #17

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HERE WeGo[0] works remarkably well here in the north of Africa, much better than google maps or TomTom. [0] https://wego.here.com/

Watch out, Here Maps has the Facebook SDK malware embedded in it that will call home to Zuck on every app launch (at least) and send a device fingerprint and persistent identifier.

Very unfortunate, since HERE maps allows offline maps.

We need a public registry of apps that embed tracking SDKs.

And iOS needs an outbound firewall, now that it is shipping an App Privacy Report.

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

#136
post #86

Refusing service when the user does not consent to non-essential data sharing is illegal in the EU, and it also breaches Google Play's developer agreement. WiFi scanning is not essential to navigate with an app, and the least they could do to follow the law is to gracefully degrade the service if the user does not consent to share data about nearby devices, such as disabling traffic predictions. Of course Google's la…

Can't believe I'm on this side of the debate, but at what point are we asking too much for free? Google provide Maps for free to an incredible accuracy and value. Unlike Apple, the user is welcome to use any other app, and yet chooses to use Google Maps. You could maybe argue that Google Maps is part of a package you bought the phone for, but realistically I think the solution is Google are just open about the use of…

> and offers a paid solution that doesn't track you.

Really? Never heard of that. Can you elaborate?

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

#137
post #62

I have regarded the entire Google Maps dev team with utter contempt since they first combined maps and navigation into one app, thereby preventing you from using both at the same time. At this point I'd rather use a paper map then let Google wardrive using my phone 24 hours a day.

If you use the Android Go version the maps and navigation are separate.

Maps Go is available for regular Android.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and...

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

#139
post #86

Refusing service when the user does not consent to non-essential data sharing is illegal in the EU, and it also breaches Google Play's developer agreement. WiFi scanning is not essential to navigate with an app, and the least they could do to follow the law is to gracefully degrade the service if the user does not consent to share data about nearby devices, such as disabling traffic predictions. Of course Google's la…

Can't believe I'm on this side of the debate, but at what point are we asking too much for free? Google provide Maps for free to an incredible accuracy and value. Unlike Apple, the user is welcome to use any other app, and yet chooses to use Google Maps. You could maybe argue that Google Maps is part of a package you bought the phone for, but realistically I think the solution is Google are just open about the use of…

Google Maps doesn't make money using wifi data. It makes money the way it always does: through ads [0,1].

[0]: https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/7040605?hl=en

[1]: https://ads.google.com/hotels/

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

#140
post #101

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There are still places in the world where Apple Maps isn't great, but for 90% of people they're now as good for navigation, if not better (since they've built a data gathering operation). Last year I used Apple Maps for a 34,000 mile road trip. No significant issues.

The big pain point imo is that apple maps doesn't crawl for local business information as well as google. Many local businesses in LA do not show up on apple maps but have a presence on google maps. I wonder why apple maps engineers don't just crawl google maps and steal this data from them, I'm sure google would do the same.

Most map providers include some fake roads to fingerprint their map and Google probably does something similar for the businesses on Gmaps, so if they scraped the data it would be easy to prove they did it
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