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Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater

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Re: Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater

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"If high prices held you back from building, you are in luck, as the tables have now turned" Except... many builders will find some other reason/excuse where prices are high to keep prices high. We were looking at building a house - talked to builder last November and... looking at $470-$480k range (ballpark estimate). Lumber was going higher, but we'd reduced the house plan size. Lumber kept going up... and up... Th…

I would wait. I'm an licensed inactive General Contractor. If 14 months ago, they were building them for $450,000, I'd wait. I'd shop around for another contractor too. A young guy starting out, might save you a lot. (There's no way to verify he knows what he's doing though.) If you are some what handy, it's not that difficult to owner build your own house. That is if you get the blueprints past the town's council. G…

Developer who owns an excavator, track skid steer, dump trailer here. Probably a wet lot...

Re: Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater

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About a year ago wee started design on a large project for one of our clients . Think in terms of something like a full size passenger aircraft motion simulator...so, something 100 feet long and 21 feet wide. Well, needless to say, lots of metal makes-up the entire structure. We had to design this thing twice due to fluctuations in metal pricing. The original design was all aluminum. Then came all steel, because alum…

I can’t imagine that redesign. The difference between the density/mass of aluminum and steel, plus the difference of inertia the software would have to account for. That must have been a lot of work for everyone!

Because the structure is regular it was relatively easy to scale elements based on both FEA and actual testing. We use table various parametric design techniques in Solidworks in almost every project. The power of this approach is in the speed of iterations when design parameters change. Of course, it took years of fine tuning and experience to develop the right way to approach projects this way.

Re: Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater

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post #124

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Hang on let me check your other comments in this thread. You do! Most people, when they get a mortgage, they're going deep into debt. You have about that much in liquid assets. You can definitely afford it.

Ehh I think it would be irresponsible to use all my savings like that, plus you need to buy the land to build on and pay for your current place

You still end up owning the house, so it's more of a conversion in savings. And you'd probably be paying it off over time, with the help of ongoing income, if the mortgage rate isn't super high.

Land depends on where you go, no comment there, but keeping up payment on your current place during construction just means you end up paying for 21 years of housing on a 20 year mortgage, or 31 years of housing on a 30 year mortgage, not a big deal.

Re: Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater

#134
post #25

"If high prices held you back from building, you are in luck, as the tables have now turned" Except... many builders will find some other reason/excuse where prices are high to keep prices high. We were looking at building a house - talked to builder last November and... looking at $470-$480k range (ballpark estimate). Lumber was going higher, but we'd reduced the house plan size. Lumber kept going up... and up... Th…

who has all this money to spend? everywhere everything is so expensive. i make a ton, and this doesn't add up. nothing about home prices seems to add up.

Yes! This has been my nagging question for years too.

I make 5x the median wage in my county and my county has the second highest wage in the US.

I see all these $M houses being sold left and right and I'd never feel comfortable buying a $M plus house. What gives?

Re: Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater

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Assuming you are very mechanically inclined but not particularly well versed to traditional construction, what does one do to learn more about this process?

Spend 3 months watching YouTube, you'll probably learn more tips than many contractors know. Then 3 months practicing small mock-ups - building forms, frames, stairs, windows, roofs, installing insulation, vapor barriers, sheeting, drywall. A fancy shed isn't a bad place to start. Plan on hiring a plumber, electrician, and HVAC specialist. Probably another 3-6 months to figure out all the paperwork.

> 3 months practicing small mock-ups

Each mock-up slightly bigger than the last, until one day...

Re: Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater

#137
post #35

Multi-year chart of lumber prices puts some of these "skyrocketing" and "cratering" headlines in perspective: https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/lumber

I don’t understand your comment and scare quotes, do you think a quadrupling in price of a commodity is not skyrocketing? That’s a cool website thank you for sharing it.

“Prices crash to pre-pandemic levels 18 months ago”

Re: Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater

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post #61

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Thanks. I'm legitimately quoting, but also prefer use of more specific terms like "tripled" or "fives times more expensive" etc. than common dramatic headlines words like "crushed", "slammed", "blasted", "surged".

Don't forget "soared" and "plunged", used practically any day the market moves more than a hair.

half-percent drop = "eviscerated"

Re: Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater

#139
post #60

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I would wait. I'm an licensed inactive General Contractor. If 14 months ago, they were building them for $450,000, I'd wait. I'd shop around for another contractor too. A young guy starting out, might save you a lot. (There's no way to verify he knows what he's doing though.) If you are some what handy, it's not that difficult to owner build your own house. That is if you get the blueprints past the town's council. G…

If I may ask, what are your thoughts on BuildZoom? If I go through them can I be more certain about quality work? I have heard many horror stories of people who had houses built and the builders made terrible mistakes. The person having the house built had to micromanage them and kept finding bad mistakes, like "forgetting" to put insulation in walls before the drywall, putting a window in the wrong spot, or putting…

> check on it every day

you got it.

> Is there a better way?

no.

Re: Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would wait. I'm an licensed inactive General Contractor. If 14 months ago, they were building them for $450,000, I'd wait. I'd shop around for another contractor too. A young guy starting out, might save you a lot. (There's no way to verify he knows what he's doing though.) If you are some what handy, it's not that difficult to owner build your own house. That is if you get the blueprints past the town's council. G…

Assuming you are very mechanically inclined but not particularly well versed to traditional construction, what does one do to learn more about this process?

Modern Practical Joinery, by George Ellis (circa 1910).

Neither modern, nor practical, but it has excellent drawings on how to build everything in a house out of wood and nails.

Decades of FPL.gov data on lumber species pretty much agree with his assessments from the 19th century as well.

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