Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's also worth mentioning that private health care and insurance both exist in the UK. Individuals still get the choice to go to any private doctor they want, they'll just have to pay for it themselves. Just like the US, except the NHS provides an excellent safety net for everyone without private insurance or the means to pay for private care.
In most cases its the same doctors working in private hospitals and for the NHS.
The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU
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Re: The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU
#132This hits home for me.. my son (now 4 years old) was born very premature at 29 weeks and some change. He spent 7 weeks and 4 days in the NICU. The total hospital bill that was charged to insurance (before settling it between themselves) was roughly 960_000$. If you include the additional services and whatnot in the few months following being discharged from the hospital he was a million dollar baby. Complete insanity…
By what metric have things gotten better since the ACA?
- percent uninsured decreased
- number of people skipping treatment for cost reasons decreased
- number of people with "pre-existing conditions" covered increased
- satisfaction with coverage increased
- growth of healthcare costs slowed
Not to mention other provisions that are broadly popular such as children being allowed to stay on their parents health insurance through the age of 26 and mandates that require all plans to cover basic services.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/health/chart-book-accomplishme...
Re: The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU
#133A quarter million US dollars. Of course the hospital never expects to receive this amount of money. Either they will negotiate it down for uninsured patients, or they will accept a lesser amount from the insurance company. Insurance companies like this over representation of costs because: 1. If you have a percentage copay (edit: "coinsurance"), say 10%, they will tell you to pay $25k because it's 10%, but they might…
The obligatory comment about how crazy this is on many levels. 1. You are being charged prices that you are not expected to pay, but need to negotiate on 2. When you go to a doctor to have a procedure or have an emergency then you don't know what you are paying. In normal countries there is A price list, which is THE price list for all hospitals that are part of the national health care system. If they want to have a…
Re: The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU
#134In Jan 21 my first child arrived, 8 weeks early. This led to a lengthy 49 day NICU stay spread across two hospitals. Ask me to put a price on the work those doctors did to save my families lives (8hrs in the OR and both nearly died several times) and I'd give you all I could.
In the end, the bills we've received so far exceed $350k. For the joy and relief that they both made it out the otherside healthy, it's worth every penny. And this speaks to perhaps why Americans rationalise exorbitant healthcare costs - because we're tied up in the emotion of it all.
I'm lucky to work for a company who provide a high deductible plan which means my max annual out of pocket cost is $6k. On the face of it, $6k sounds like a lot - but the level of care we received far exceeded anything I've ever experienced in the NHS. Private rooms, appointments with my GP without doing the 8am phone purgatory British Drs surgeries require, world class NICU care at a world renowned facility (Chapel Hill).
But we must also factor in that in the UK I pay for healthcare whether I use it or not via taxes. Indeed my take home in the UK was about 15-20% less than here after the government had taken their share. However here, I have the choice to contribute to my HSA up to $7,200 annually. In the end, I feel like I end up paying about the same despite the high sticker price.
But the key difference is that in the UK model I look after my neighbour without any choice in the matter. Whereas here, it speaks to the underlying American pysche of individualism.
My conclusion is that as an individual, with a good tech job, the system works - for me. But there is a nagging sense of guilt about how the experience I've had is not available to all. A bit like the suburban sprawl discussion I fear that this way of doing things is so deeply ingrained in so many people that they can't even imagine changing the system to work better for all for fear of what might come to pass.
I'm very happy in the US on a day to day level, but it truly is a very weird place. Simultaneously a forward looking tech hub, leading the way in the world in many ways. And yet, it's an incredible backwards, self-preserving, individualistic society where dramatic social change is probably impossible.
Re: The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because it's been decimated by the Tories for ten years now.
And the US elected Trump, why do you think the same thing wouldn't happen in the US within a decade?
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#136I don't understand how people can be so anti-universal healthcare in the US. When you have an $8k deductible, your insurance is basically a gift to the CEO's yacht fund.
Because in the US, if you're reasonably healthy, employed, live in a city with good hospitals and have private insurance, it "feels" better. It's easier to get better care. I'm Canadian, now living in the US, and I'll be honest: for the first couple of years, where I had some medium sized health issues, the US system felt so much better. The hospital I was treated at was leagues better than anything I saw in Canada.…
Re: The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
Shouldn't the point of comparison be the current state of US healthcare, were many people don't get to see a doctor at all because they're uninsured and poor? (Or at least that's the impression I get as an outsider from discussions on the Internet about the topic)
The question was why people don't like universal health care and not an objective measurement of its value to society as a while. Around 10% of the US population is uninsured so 90% does have insurance. So 90% of the population isn't comparing it to a system with no-insurance.
Re: The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU
#138This hits home for me.. my son (now 4 years old) was born very premature at 29 weeks and some change. He spent 7 weeks and 4 days in the NICU. The total hospital bill that was charged to insurance (before settling it between themselves) was roughly 960_000$. If you include the additional services and whatnot in the few months following being discharged from the hospital he was a million dollar baby. Complete insanity…
In Israel we have public healthcare. I was born at week 32 and spent about 6 weeks in the NICU - everything was free. It's not always great and I do pay for private insurance in case I need something urgent - but everything emergency is absolutely covered. I believe it's this state in most developed places that are not the US?
Re: The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU
#139I don't understand how people can be so anti-universal healthcare in the US. When you have an $8k deductible, your insurance is basically a gift to the CEO's yacht fund.
I've heard a lot of negative stories about the British health system including people waiting 6+ months to see doctors (while in pain or having other symptoms that lower quality of life significantly). If you think an American universal health system will be somehow better than that then I suspect you're a lot more optimistic about the US government than most people. edit: I do love echo chambers, someone asks a ques…
To me, the NHS in the UK is run by the NHS (chiefs, trusts, executives, etc). It's funded and meddled with by the government. But it outlives each successive government.
You'll hear far more positive stories than negative ones if you ask any one in the UK.
My kid spent a week in infant ICU. Cost to me zero. Total cost of pregnancy zero. Time thinking about the cost until now zero.
Money and healthcare are two exclusive concepts to the average British person. If we thought more about cost and healthcare maybe people would be willing to pay more tax for it. But they think it's free.