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The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU

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Re: The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU

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5k on sildenafil citrate? That's better known as Viagra.

Sildenafil citrate is also a treatment for other problems - see e.g. [0]. That's very different to the usual problems that are treated with the codename "viagra". [0] https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070727182359.h...

Right, but the point is the cost. Once you know what it is, you can get a mental model of what it usually costs.

Re: The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU

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post #56
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I don't understand how people can be so anti-universal healthcare in the US. When you have an $8k deductible, your insurance is basically a gift to the CEO's yacht fund.

> I don't understand how people can be so anti-universal healthcare in the US. Because I have zero faith that it will end up costing me less, and have a similar level of quality. I’m in tech. Combined HHI is something in the $200s. I pay about $300 per month for the entire family, $5K out of pocket max. So in a worst case scenario, let’s say healthcare costs me $9K per year. That’s what, 4% of my HHI? Will a universa…

yikes, dude.

Re: The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU

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post #56
post #2

I don't understand how people can be so anti-universal healthcare in the US. When you have an $8k deductible, your insurance is basically a gift to the CEO's yacht fund.

> I don't understand how people can be so anti-universal healthcare in the US. Because I have zero faith that it will end up costing me less, and have a similar level of quality. I’m in tech. Combined HHI is something in the $200s. I pay about $300 per month for the entire family, $5K out of pocket max. So in a worst case scenario, let’s say healthcare costs me $9K per year. That’s what, 4% of my HHI? Will a universa…

I....just have no words. Do you really believe everything you wrote? And like....that's probably the worst example of individualism and "me first" attitude I've seen on this website.

Re: The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU

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I don't understand how people can be so anti-universal healthcare in the US. When you have an $8k deductible, your insurance is basically a gift to the CEO's yacht fund.

The US has universal care, it passed in 2009 and it establishes that everyone does their part and buy insurance. It establishes help for low income individuals. There are caps on annual expenses. You may not like how it’s structured. You may not like the amount that people are expected to pay. But twelve years later the only people who don’t have coverage are people who are not meeting their civic obligations. And I’…

The worst tactical move the "left" has ever done in the US is allow itself to be tied ideologically to the ACA. To my outsider's view this is nothing but an entrenchment of the 'feudal' nature of the US health care system, and a direct subsidy to private insurance companies (even if obligations were forced on them). From a pragmatic POV I see why it was put in place, but frankly it's just awful.

Re: The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU

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post #56
post #2

I don't understand how people can be so anti-universal healthcare in the US. When you have an $8k deductible, your insurance is basically a gift to the CEO's yacht fund.

> I don't understand how people can be so anti-universal healthcare in the US. Because I have zero faith that it will end up costing me less, and have a similar level of quality. I’m in tech. Combined HHI is something in the $200s. I pay about $300 per month for the entire family, $5K out of pocket max. So in a worst case scenario, let’s say healthcare costs me $9K per year. That’s what, 4% of my HHI? Will a universa…

> Because I have zero faith that it will end up costing me less, and have a similar level of quality.

The US spends 2-3x per capita (counting both public and private spending; https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm) than the rest of the OECD, with remarkably similar health outcomes.

> I pay about $300 per month for the entire family, $5K out of pocket max.

You're just paying your healthcare tax to your employer (in the form of lost salary; they're not chipping in the other $1-2k/month out of charity) instead of the government. It's silly to only count your contribution instead of the overall per-capita cost of healthcare.

Re: The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU

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I don't understand how people can be so anti-universal healthcare in the US. When you have an $8k deductible, your insurance is basically a gift to the CEO's yacht fund.

The people who are against universal healthcare usually pitch it as an argument for "choice", as if I'm going to compare prices when I have a ruptured appendix. It's also usually couched in anti-government sentiment, where they draw comparisons to "lines at the DMV", as if other countries with universal healthcare have people dying while waiting in line for care, something that also doesn't happen.

I'm a big fan of universal healthcare, and have made great use of both public and private hospitals in Europe and the US.

Everywhere I've lived (except the US) has had a totally free public system, and every time I've still paid for private insurance. I'm not rich by any means, and I don't have any particularly special requirements. I'm not even looking for better doctors or machines, since they are mostly shared or equivalent between public and private care.

The only reason it's worth it for me to spend money on private insurance is waiting times. On the private system, I can see a consultant in one month instead of six, or get a surgery in three months instead of three years. This is all for non-emergency care of course.

There are lots of elderly people waiting on operations like hip replacement on the public system, and it's expected that some will die before their turn comes up. It's a compromise that's built into the way the government operates their national health system. It not obviously the wrong way to do things, since carrying out all these operations would be very expensive and have limited benefit in terms of quality and quantity of life. It also sucks for the people waiting, especially since others who can afford to skip the line by paying (usually through private insurance) may even be seen by the same surgeon in the same OR.

I don't mean to argue for or against this system, but just to point out that people often die waiting for (non-emergency) care in at least several large public healthcare systems in highly-developed countries in Europe.

Re: The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU

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post #4

5k on sildenafil citrate? That's better known as Viagra.

Sildenafil citrate is also a treatment for other problems - see e.g. [0]. That's very different to the usual problems that are treated with the codename "viagra". [0] https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070727182359.h...

It's the same chemical regardless of brand name. GP was clearly pointing out that Sildenafil citrate bought over the counter as Viagra is extremely cheap, not that they gave a baby Viagra.

Re: The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU

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This hits home for me.. my son (now 4 years old) was born very premature at 29 weeks and some change. He spent 7 weeks and 4 days in the NICU. The total hospital bill that was charged to insurance (before settling it between themselves) was roughly 960_000$. If you include the additional services and whatnot in the few months following being discharged from the hospital he was a million dollar baby. Complete insanity…

By what metric have things gotten better since the ACA?

Re: The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU

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post #2

I don't understand how people can be so anti-universal healthcare in the US. When you have an $8k deductible, your insurance is basically a gift to the CEO's yacht fund.

I've heard a lot of negative stories about the British health system including people waiting 6+ months to see doctors (while in pain or having other symptoms that lower quality of life significantly). If you think an American universal health system will be somehow better than that then I suspect you're a lot more optimistic about the US government than most people.

edit: I do love echo chambers, someone asks a question about why a certain groups thinks a certain way, you answer and you get downvoted. Why bother being on a discussion forum if you don't ever want to hear what the other side sees things as even when directly asked? Especially amusing since I do support universal healthcare but actually try to understand why people oppose it rather than covering my eyes and ears whenever they talk.

Re: The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU

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post #52

This hits home for me.. my son (now 4 years old) was born very premature at 29 weeks and some change. He spent 7 weeks and 4 days in the NICU. The total hospital bill that was charged to insurance (before settling it between themselves) was roughly 960_000$. If you include the additional services and whatnot in the few months following being discharged from the hospital he was a million dollar baby. Complete insanity…

By what metric have things gotten better since the ACA?

One very clear one: Access to insurance for folks with expensive preexisting conditions.
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