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I'm a bit torn about this. For example it is generally believed that say SONY should not get a cut if I resell a CD I've bought. Why should this be different for paintings?
1. If it is known from the start that this is how it works, you can just avoid those CDs. 2. CDs are copies, NFTs are sort of originals, so it's pretty different.
The NFT market bubble has popped?
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Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Let everyone have a home, eat and drink as much as they need, receive proper education and healthcare, and thrive working for something they see interest in not a paycheck/boss and you'll see terrorism will be entirely rid of. Are there sufficient people interested in cleaning toilets, dealing with the mentally ill/infirm, working in crawl spaces and attics, working on a farm an hour plus from everything?
Imo flip these "punishment" jobs into "reward" jobs. As it is, we give the jobs no one wants to people who don't have any other options - or are struggling to exercise their options. We use them as boogeyman for kids when we remind them how important school is. If everyone is taken care of, these jobs should come with some extra benefits - both socially and financially. Remember all those bs commercials thanking esse…
Specifically about COVID though, I don't know about where you are, but here in France "thank you" for health workers was perceived to be very insulting. Because when the government continues to dismantle all forms of public services and keeps on overworking hospital workers (most of whom have months or even years of paid vacations they could never take because of understaffing) and destroying all their social benefits, it's hard not to take this as "fuck you".
Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What if society really appreciated its essential workers and compensated them like it did? The person I was responding to was arguing against compensation as a concept in general.
What if monetary or material compensation was replaced with simple respect and appreciation though? As it is, the people who do the dirty jobs of society are often treated like they themselves are filth.
Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?
#134This mania might have one last leg up, but that's it. The main thing to remember with markets that have ponzi characteristics is that there are tons of latecomers and few early adopters. While the early adopters might HODL in the face of a 70% downturn, the late adopters won't. They FOMOd in because they couldn't stand seeing their friends make easy money any longer. They don't have conviction because the only reason…
Just a little correction. NFTs, and crypto in general are critiqued as ponzis, but they are more accurately described as pyramid schemes, whereby early adopters rake in the lion's share of profits. Ponzis are where later investor money is used to pay out early investor money in a fraudulent never ending cycle.
Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?
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"the NFT hype never made any sense whatsoever to begin with" I felt the same, but now regard NFTs as the first meaningful application of blockchain. First, let's talk about land registries. In developed countries, the state administers a land registry. There is a strict, human-administered API against this registry. It allows users to inspect the full history of land; cause property splits/mergers; execute land excha…
As you acknowledge, registries and licenses with APIs are already achievable without NFTs or other types of blockchains, without the expensive computation or assumption that the certifying authority isn't actually the appropriate party to validate their correctness. We already know who owns the Mona Lisa, and since NFTs neither diminish its appeal to art thieves nor provide the Louvre with anything to display in its…
Proof-of-stake participants are strongly motivated to ensure the integrity and good reputation of the platform.
By analogy, this is a bit like the Netherlands Water boards. They have power and motivation to do whatever it takes to ensure the dikes are in good order. The population are motivated to support them in this. Everyone suffers if the water gets past the dikes: it destroys the platform.
Pure digital goods are easily duplicated with no loss of utility. For example, you can copy a piece of music and lose nothing from that. The value I see relates to scarce goods.
Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Are there sufficient people interested in ... ? There's people interested in caring for others and/or growing food on the countryside. Cleaning toilets is a task nobody does by pleasure but i don't see a reason there should be a specific class in society handling undesired tasks for the others. Why can't we take turns doing what HAS TO be done? I've lived in communities for about two decades now and it's never ever…
I would rather pay someone to take my turn for me. There’s a whole theory of competitive advantage [0] where I’m better doing some things than others. I’d rather do the thing I’m good at and use the money to pay others to do stuff I’m marginally worse off doing. I’ve lived in communities for a few decades and every day it crosses my mind that I want to establish a price for someone to come clean my toilet. [0] https:…
You're not wrong, but it's not (all) about efficiency but rather about solidarity and social cohesion. As an example, in Japan, children clean the school:
* https://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2001/11/30/lifestyle/kids-...
* https://www.thejapanguy.com/japanese-kids-clean-their-classr...
* https://www.quora.com/How-do-Japanese-students-feel-about-th...
Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
Imo flip these "punishment" jobs into "reward" jobs. As it is, we give the jobs no one wants to people who don't have any other options - or are struggling to exercise their options. We use them as boogeyman for kids when we remind them how important school is. If everyone is taken care of, these jobs should come with some extra benefits - both socially and financially. Remember all those bs commercials thanking esse…
As long as there is money and private property, i agree with your point. Jobs that nobody wants to do by pleasure should be the highest paid and most respected. However that's not how capitalism works (quite the opposite). Like another commentator pointed out, i'm opposed to financial compensation (and all forms of money) as an organizing principle of society. However as long as money hasn't been abolished your point…
What does this mean? It is the nature of animals to evaluate and rank each other, least of all for mating purposes. Not using money will not change that, and another proxy will be used.
> Specifically about COVID though, I don't know about where you are, but here in France "thank you" for health workers was perceived to be very insulting.
It was the same in the US. The thank you and hero nonsense was seen through by all, but I guess plausible deniability is worth it amongst the managing class.
Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?
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Just a little correction. NFTs, and crypto in general are critiqued as ponzis, but they are more accurately described as pyramid schemes, whereby early adopters rake in the lion's share of profits. Ponzis are where later investor money is used to pay out early investor money in a fraudulent never ending cycle.
Honest question: I fail to see to difference between this (the pyramid scheme part) and let's say buying stock in early Apple or Google?
If new people stop buying into AAPL or GOOG, all shareholders have is a share of a massive pile of cash and a business which generates billions in profit every quarter. For related reasons, people are likely to continue buying into AAPL or GOOG, AAPL and GOOG can buy back their own shares or find other investors easily if a major investor wants out, and even if for some strange reason nobody at all wants AAPL or GOOGL, shareholders would still expect to get back what they paid in dividends in the long run by holding.
Of course, the businesses can still underperform expectations or fail, but there's a difference between an investment that underperforms because the company isn't good enough at making money and an "investment" that will eventually fail because there isn't actually anyone making money out of anyone other than "investors"
Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Are there sufficient people interested in ... ? There's people interested in caring for others and/or growing food on the countryside. Cleaning toilets is a task nobody does by pleasure but i don't see a reason there should be a specific class in society handling undesired tasks for the others. Why can't we take turns doing what HAS TO be done? I've lived in communities for about two decades now and it's never ever…
I would rather pay someone to take my turn for me. There’s a whole theory of competitive advantage [0] where I’m better doing some things than others. I’d rather do the thing I’m good at and use the money to pay others to do stuff I’m marginally worse off doing. I’ve lived in communities for a few decades and every day it crosses my mind that I want to establish a price for someone to come clean my toilet. [0] https:…
Yeah, that's precisely what's wrong in our society that it appears normal to pay for inconveniences to disappear. Except of course for most of us who don't have money so we get paid shitty wages for making other people's inconveniences disappear. If such jobs were the highest paid, that would be less of a problem of course. But the highest paid jobs under capitalism are the least useful to society at large because they don't produce anything (CEOs, managers, financial/legal advisors, marketers, etc).
> I’m better doing some things than others.
That makes sense. However some tasks such as cleaning are not skilled labor. Yes it requires (some) learning, but by the second time you've cleaned a toilet you pretty much know how to do it for the rest of your life. Cleaning a single toilet takes about 5 minutes and is not much effort (contrary to doing that for a living)That makes sense. However some tasks such as cleaning are not skilled labor. Yes it requires (some) learning, but by the second time you've cleaned a toilet you pretty much know how to do it for the rest of your life. Cleaning a single toilet takes about 5 minutes and is not much effort (contrary to doing that for a living). Have you considered why you're so reluctant to do it?
> I’ve lived in communities (...) my toilet
We're probably not living in the same kinds of communities then if you've got a personal toilet. In the communities i've resided in everybody's got their personal room but everything else is communal.
Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?
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It makes no less sense than a painting. If you accept that an original painting has more value than a perfectly good copy, whilst being undistinguishable for anyone except a few experts, you should realize NFT's have the exact same arrangement, except 'originality' is determined by the blockchain instead of an expert.
Well yes, exactly. The original painting has value exactly because it is not a copy. And "owning" the first tweet ever sent? What does that even mean?? At the end of the day "ownership" mostly has any meaning within the legal system. NFTs seem to create something akin to a shadow copyright but which makes no sense. Oh well, maybe I am just a simpleton.
E.g. on some art NFT platforms, a legal license is attached that says that if you hold the NFT for an artwork, you get permission to display that just as you would have permission to display lets say a piece of software art you bought from them. The NFT just is a representation of who holds that license right now, instead of a software license represented by a piece of paper being sold, or an entry in a license database somewhere.
Digital artists have struggled with how to sell a digital thing that can be copied losslessly for a while. Expensive digital art is often sold as some physical thing, e.g. a print, an installation with some screens showing the artwork, or a movie on DVDs. The limited number of the physical things provides a scarcity that apparently has value to a lot of people, leading to higher sales prices, but is also somewhat frustrating if you want the digital thing to be the art. In contrast, when they try to sell just files, that's basically not happening. People will spend hundreds on a print, but not $5 on the digital file the print was created from. And for some, it now turns out that NFTs also provide that scarcity, in the purely digital domain. Sure, everyone can go and download the file, but if you bought the NFT you have a record that proves that you actually bought the thing from the artist. That appears to have value to some people, and they pay the same kind of money as they would for a print etc.
If you don't have an explicit legal thing, it comes down to social convention that this (virtual) thing you are holding has some value to some people. Some collectibles are somewhat of an analogue: Stamps. signed photographs. pokemon cards. Skins in Counter-Strike. All those have no obvious reason why they are worth a lot a money (or not), except that enough people want them and are willing to spend to get them. If a piece of paper with some dudes signature somehow has value to some people, why can't a bag of bits with a digital signature have value to others?
And of course there's lots of hype and too much money floating around that makes all this more extreme, leads to people throwing money at it in the hope to make a profit, and makes the amounts paid for the headline-making things just seem entirely stupid. But that's roughly the forces at work, if we agree to the specific value judgements or not (very similar to collectables markets again, those seem equally weird to me in the extremes).