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Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?

#91
post #53

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Honest question - why are they there then if not to make money? What other reasons exist for selling NFTs if not to make (quick) money? I'm genuinely curious here :)

Artist share their work on Instagram, Tumblr, and tons of other social networks for free. Why do they do this? That doesn't make any more sense either. About your question: hicetnunc.xyz is basically like Instagram but with an easy option to support the artist by buying their creations directly from them as a NFT. They can showcase their creations, get discovered, and make some money on top.

as in any other space it is hard for most artists to get attention for the work that they doing. If you want to get attention you have to share some of you work for free. However, the images you see on those platforms are usually not high resolution and don't come with any usage rights. Those are then the things artists get paid for hopefully.

Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?

#92
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Imho it stems from a lack of understanding and faith in the financial services industry, probably exacerbated by the financial crisis. A large % of people now believe that the finance industry only exists to work against them and make an elite minority rich. There's a strong sense of "Fuck You, I Got Mine" from the last generation, so the current generation is saying "Fine, I'm going to invent my own system... with B…

Is it lack of understanding of the financial industry or the opposite? I observe that through Bitcoin much more people have become interested in (austrian) economics. I think especially in times when everyone says that the problems e.g. central banks are “solving” are too complex to understand for 99.99% of the people, an uptrend in a much more simple theory (that is hence also more compatible with Occam’s razor) is…

For me the ultimate problem with deflationary currencies is that you get rewarded for doing nothing. Every year as keys to wallets are irreversibly lost, or the value of the real economy grows relative to the supply of BTC, your Bitcoin gets more and more valuable.

Many Bitcoin hodlers actually have an expectation of becoming extremely wealthy, despite having done nothing for society, because they've been swept up in the speculative mania and volatility.

Gold bugs don't generally have this expectation. Gold is no longer a broadly accepted currency, and even the most vocal of gold bugs are only expecting a 2x or 5x return in the next few decades, assuming the $ does collapse. They only preach an expectation that N bricks of gold, where N will buy a house today, will buy them a house 50 years from now. The attitude is one of wealth preservation rather than speculation. It's a reasonable expectation assuming the demand for and supply of Gold remains balanced.

Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?

#93

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Maybe if we would question why we (don't) need money in the first place, and why people turn to terrorism, we wouldn't have problems in the first place. Let everyone have a home, eat and drink as much as they need, receive proper education and healthcare, and thrive working for something they see interest in not a paycheck/boss and you'll see terrorism will be entirely rid of. In the meantime, i agree it's a reasonab…

> Let everyone have a home, eat and drink as much as they need, receive proper education and healthcare, and thrive working for something they see interest in not a paycheck/boss and you'll see terrorism will be entirely rid of. Are there sufficient people interested in cleaning toilets, dealing with the mentally ill/infirm, working in crawl spaces and attics, working on a farm an hour plus from everything?

Imo flip these "punishment" jobs into "reward" jobs. As it is, we give the jobs no one wants to people who don't have any other options - or are struggling to exercise their options. We use them as boogeyman for kids when we remind them how important school is.

If everyone is taken care of, these jobs should come with some extra benefits - both socially and financially. Remember all those bs commercials thanking essential workers toward the beginning of Covid? What if society really appreciated its essential workers and compensated them like it did?

Cleaning toilets is somewhat unpleasant, but there's immediate feedback on your performance (the before and after is clear), and people should appreciate the people that keep them clean. There should be an understood, and spoken, sense of "Thank you" for the people keeping them clean.

Perspective -> feeling - > actions. I don't think this is a particularly difficult issue to navigate, but it would require a shift in perspective.

Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?

#94

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Maybe if we would question why we (don't) need money in the first place, and why people turn to terrorism, we wouldn't have problems in the first place. Let everyone have a home, eat and drink as much as they need, receive proper education and healthcare, and thrive working for something they see interest in not a paycheck/boss and you'll see terrorism will be entirely rid of. In the meantime, i agree it's a reasonab…

> Let everyone have a home, eat and drink as much as they need, receive proper education and healthcare, and thrive working for something they see interest in not a paycheck/boss and you'll see terrorism will be entirely rid of. Are there sufficient people interested in cleaning toilets, dealing with the mentally ill/infirm, working in crawl spaces and attics, working on a farm an hour plus from everything?

An interesting question is how the salaries would shift. If everyone can fulfil basic needs without much, will the jobs that no ones interested in doing be the ones on a high pay grade?

edit: just saw that you replied to "maybe money isn't needed at all" so my reply is not really relevant

Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?

#95
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I am hardly surprised. While Bitcoin maybe had theoretical uses as a currency a decade ago, the NFT hype never made any sense whatsoever to begin with.

"the NFT hype never made any sense whatsoever to begin with"

I felt the same, but now regard NFTs as the first meaningful application of blockchain.

First, let's talk about land registries. In developed countries, the state administers a land registry. There is a strict, human-administered API against this registry. It allows users to inspect the full history of land; cause property splits/mergers; execute land exchange; and there is capacity for extensions like water-rights and native title. There is formal governance around some of these operations - conveyancing; council approval.

NFTs have the potential to do something similar, initially for artwork.

Imagine if every time an artist created a painting, they issued a NFT against it, and got this authorised by an authority. That authority does not yet exist, but Christie's and Sotheby's could set up in this space with low effort. Each time a transfer of the artwork occurs, both the NFT and the physical artwork change ownership to the new owner.

This would have a snowball effect, and quickly become the new standard for provenance. Insurance companies would insist that works were marked on the exchange. A stolen artwork would be nearly worthless. It would be pointless to duplicate artwork, because the sold duplicate would effectively destroy the original.

Extension: firearms. Firearms are valuable goods, and would soon be forced onto this registry. Perhaps the state would encourage this transition by asking that firearms ranges mark the transition of guns to and from the range premises by marking this on the chain.

Extension: wine. There is a live problem in China, with rubbish wine being fraudulently marked as premium Australian varieties. Each bottle could be chipped in the cap with an on-chain identifier. In the wine shop, you could use your phone to scan the identifier, and witness custody of that wine back to the producer.

Evolution: complex goods. The next evolution would be to trace the grapes that went into the wine back to the vineyard that they came from.

Reputation becomes very important in this system. This would encourage a new type of auditing profession, who serve a similar role as conveyances, but for chain operations. Once you have that, you could mark carbon credits of goods on the chain, you could have eggs tagged as being free-range or organic, etc.

Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?

#96

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> Let everyone have a home, eat and drink as much as they need, receive proper education and healthcare, and thrive working for something they see interest in not a paycheck/boss and you'll see terrorism will be entirely rid of. Are there sufficient people interested in cleaning toilets, dealing with the mentally ill/infirm, working in crawl spaces and attics, working on a farm an hour plus from everything?

> Are there sufficient people interested in ... ? There's people interested in caring for others and/or growing food on the countryside. Cleaning toilets is a task nobody does by pleasure but i don't see a reason there should be a specific class in society handling undesired tasks for the others. Why can't we take turns doing what HAS TO be done? I've lived in communities for about two decades now and it's never ever…

I would rather pay someone to take my turn for me.

There’s a whole theory of competitive advantage [0] where I’m better doing some things than others. I’d rather do the thing I’m good at and use the money to pay others to do stuff I’m marginally worse off doing.

I’ve lived in communities for a few decades and every day it crosses my mind that I want to establish a price for someone to come clean my toilet.

[0] https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/comparativeadvantage.as...

Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?

#97

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> Let everyone have a home, eat and drink as much as they need, receive proper education and healthcare, and thrive working for something they see interest in not a paycheck/boss and you'll see terrorism will be entirely rid of. Are there sufficient people interested in cleaning toilets, dealing with the mentally ill/infirm, working in crawl spaces and attics, working on a farm an hour plus from everything?

Imo flip these "punishment" jobs into "reward" jobs. As it is, we give the jobs no one wants to people who don't have any other options - or are struggling to exercise their options. We use them as boogeyman for kids when we remind them how important school is. If everyone is taken care of, these jobs should come with some extra benefits - both socially and financially. Remember all those bs commercials thanking esse…

> What if society really appreciated its essential workers and compensated them like it did?

The person I was responding to was arguing against compensation as a concept in general.

Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?

#98
post #80

One thing I have noticed when listening to the interviews of NFT companies is that, when describing NFT is the future, the arguments from these founders are examples of people/artists made money by selling NFT online. It has become more and more a theme for cryptocurrency technology has well: the reason you should be in is that other people have made money rather than the benefit of the technology itself. It is not a…

The only thing that really works with cryptocurrencies and adjacent technologies is to use them for pyramid schemes and using them for illegal payments like buying things on the darknet or paying ransomware. The rest is just empty promises and short term hype. NFT is just the last in a long series. Before that we had the Lightning network that would revolutionize payments and make cryptocurrencies actually usable, IC…

Cryptocurrencies have also been used as a way to escape hyperinflation and retain savings despite a coercive and highly restrictive government, eg Venezuela.

When a system becomes corrupt and dysfunctional and normal transactions and savings become ineffective or illegal, cryptocurrencies have proven themselves as a viable means of escape. The value of that is hard to understate.

I agree that a lot of other applications are overhyped, and that there is a lot of bloat and excess in the crypto space. I think their core use case and value is in providing an extremely difficult to block form of value storage despite restrictive and irresponsible governments. The value of that depends on how restrictive and irresponsible your government is being.

Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?

#99
post #41

I personally rather like the idea of NFTs. NFTs could become gamechangers, in the literal meaning of the word. The project Enjin for instances focuses on NFTs in the gaming world. One selling point is, that you might be able to collect items in one game and transfer it to another. Collect a rare trophy in Fortnite and show it off in your Steam VR Home, the trophies uniqueness and legitimacy verifiable by everyone. Of…

I don't understand how NFTs or blockchain in general helps in any way for this, or many other examples of this. All an NFT is is an encrypted hyperlink in the blockchain. The hyperlink points to a resource on someone's server. I think people forget that the NFT doesn't store the real thing. All an NFT is is basically an encrypted DNS server with some ownership data attached to it. Right now you could showcase your Fo…

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Re: The NFT market bubble has popped?

#100
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question - why are they there then if not to make money? What other reasons exist for selling NFTs if not to make (quick) money? I'm genuinely curious here :)

Artist share their work on Instagram, Tumblr, and tons of other social networks for free. Why do they do this? That doesn't make any more sense either. About your question: hicetnunc.xyz is basically like Instagram but with an easy option to support the artist by buying their creations directly from them as a NFT. They can showcase their creations, get discovered, and make some money on top.

> Why do they do this? That doesn't make any more sense either.

If someone sees my work, they will buy an original piece. Or buy merch. Or buy a print. Or pay me to teach.

Or I think the main reason is that I like to make art and like people to see it. It makes me feel good for people to see and comment on my work.

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