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Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by kstrauser »

Taniwha wrote: post #129
kstrauser wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For sure. Out of curiosity, do you know of a good compromise that would allow the kid to play while still keeping the rules mostly in place for other kids?

I think you need compassionate teachers and functionaries who are capable of bending rules when appropriate, and rules that allow for such bending. And, I guess, everyone else not trying to take advantage of such a system.

That last one seems to be the hard part to solve. I totally agree about the need for flexibility though. It would break my heart to see a kid disqualified for the reasons you gave.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by kstrauser »

adjkant wrote: post #107
kstrauser wrote: post #25

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I think the real problem comes when one area has a better run organization than neighboring areas. Then parents from the neighboring areas flood the registration and local kids end up getting cut from the team. That's the sort of thing I think Little League's trying to prevent.

Are that many parents really going to have a strong enough preference between league options to forge a document? The 3 different residency proofs seems a bit wild, though I guess based on some other comments here, perhaps needed lol

Yes, absolutely. Of kids’ sports parents, about 98% are there to enjoy time with their kid and hope they pick up some teamwork skills. The rest are convinced that their kid is the best in the state and destined for pro sports, and will do anything they can to make that happen (even if said kid doesn’t really want it).

The percentage of jerks is small, but given the number of children on organized teams it can add up.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by airhead969 »

"Want to go to Little League this year little Timmy?"

"Why, yes please, dad."

"I'm sorry, we live in an RV on a Mountain View side-street without a street address, so not this year, son."

"Awh, that's okay, dad."

So not only does this harvest personal data, it discriminates against homeless families.

They want as much information as getting a passport or Real ID identification card.

Shady.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by mondoshawan »

alisonkisk wrote: post #101
dragonwriter wrote: post #76

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> Why not just get kids together to play baseball? You can, if everyone trusts everyone involved, and you just want some casual fun. But beyond that... Some of the developmental/training issues have been mentioned, as well as some allusion to safety. Also related is liability; do it enough and there are going to be injuries, some of them serious. And if you haven't planned for this, it's quite easy for someone to une…

That's a very US perspective. In nations with socialized health care, there's no liability to worry about.

Its little league. Its literally a US institution.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by andrewguenther »

Teever wrote: post #111
topkai22 wrote: post #77

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>> Is it so hard to set up a game between your kids and others? Yes. Yes, it is actually reasonably hard to coordinate 18+ kids and thier familes (thats the minimum size for two baseball teams), have an experienced adult coach them, and hire a referee (if that is judged to be necessary), coordinate field usage, advocate for local governments to set aside sports and play space and protect existing space from developme…

> Yes. Yes, it is actually reasonably hard to coordinate 18+ kids and thier familes (thats the minimum size for two baseball teams), have an experienced adult coach them, and hire a referee (if that is judged to be necessary), coordinate field usage, advocate for local governments to set aside sports and play space and protect existing space from development. How did people coordinate this before the invention of all…

Pen and paper, the way most organizing was done before the digital age. You went to a community center, signed your kids up. Can you imagine organizing 18 kids without all these devices? Little League has been around since 1939, the need for a coordinating organization isn't a recent change.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by Cd00d »

hammock wrote: post #123
aiisahik wrote: post #55

Speaking as someone who is has done this in their career, the data trove here would be extremely easy to monetize. No Hedge fund / Fintech company would ever turn this kinda data down the yearly licensing fee would def be in the millions. Not saying that they are doing this now but remember that once you submit this data that's going to be with LL for a long time. If they run into some situation in a few years and fi…

What would a hedge fund do with his data?

Short Topps /s

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by _vertigo »

Didn’t see it mentioned anywhere - this might be in response to a recent scandal where the US champions were found to be using players from outside their district and were stripped from their title.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disqualification_of_Jackie_R...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EqauFgkYUtU

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by ryandrake »

1123581321 wrote: post #31
kstrauser wrote: post #27

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I've been involved in various baseball and softball leagues in two different states, and I 100% vouch for every word of the above. Anyone who's been involved with little kid sports knows this is utterly plausible and not even slightly exaggerated.

Growing up, we even saw some of this behavior in park district youth softball, which had no tournaments, tiers or scouts and even had a mission statement of not being a competitive environment.

Let’s suppose all these things are true. So what? It’s kids playing ball. They’re just having fun regardless. I’m not seeing any reasons to collect all this intrusive personal info here, just excuses.

Re: Little League wants all your information

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Post by ryandrake »

kstrauser wrote: post #115
chrisseaton wrote: post #97

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But what’s the problem? Child illegitimately getting to play sport doesn’t seem like the crime of the century to me?

Here’s what happens when you don’t have residency rules: Suppose you have suburb A next to suburb B. B has an awesome Little League local organization, but A’s is awful. Parents from A all send their kids to play ball in B. The problem is that B’s resources are finite, too: there are only so many baseball fields available for practice at a time, or batting practice cages, etc. And since the kids from A that are comin…

Why have it by residency then? Try out for a team, if you don’t get on it, try out for another one. It’s just kids playing ball, I don’t understand the high stakes. We used to just play pick up games in the park and that was fun too. No birth certificate required! Why is little league so serious?
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