Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

> In the 60s the Hong Kongese held mass riots against the British in support of reunification.[0] Linguistically and culturally the Hong Kongese they are no different from their fellow Cantonese in the mainland. Most of its residents are only a couple generations removed from the Mainland. This tactic of constantly trying to make some arbitrary strategic region of China seem like it's some cultural enclave is as ridiculous as claiming that maybe "San Francisco isn't preordained to be American". If you think there's some drastic cultural difference the burden of proof lies on you.

“Linguistically and culturally the Hong Kongese they are no different from their fellow Cantonese in the mainland.”

Linguistically they are maybe no different from mainland Cantonese, but culturally they certainly are. I’ve never heard someone claim otherwise. They were a British colony for generations after all. That obviously left an imprint.

Secondly I’m not sure why you’re bringing Canton in. To say that’s Hong Kong should be part of China because of the Cantonese connection could simply be met with the response that maybe Canton just shouldn’t be a part of China.

Really it’s Hong Kongers that should have decided their fate. Not allowing them to vote was an injustice.

Btw I find it ironic that you bring up Hong Kong protests in support of unification. Well in the last couple years there have been huge Hong Kong protests against further integration. Can I take this to mean you support them in their protests there as well?

> I am making the point that the linguistic differences between Romance language speakers are exaggerated and nonexistent in practice, not agreeing with you that the linguistic differences in China are significant.

>> You made another point that the fact that China was unified more recently as an empire than Rome means they are somehow more legitimate.

> You acted as if China was some newly formed entity, and used it to imply that it isn't natural for it to be unified. The amount of times China has been unified far outstrips the amount of times when a single city that's not even self sufficient infrastructurally has been independent.

So you agree that there is no natural cultural-linguestic reason for China to be unified in its current form? You argue that the reason to support unification is because of China's past successes in militaristic imperialism support current unification? I mean if that's your point, then I hope more people read this so they understand the facts on the ground. You're basically saying that Hong Kong should be part of China because it can take it. Okay that's at least a consistent argument. I find it extremely immoral, but well I guess the only thing other countries can do is try to stand against China in that case.

Wait, wait, wait.

That's not a fact, and in fact a known piece of propaganda.

First. Even, an all out nuclear exchange in between superpowers, in an unrealistic scenario without counterstrikes, and zero nuclear attrition, a superpower like US, Russia, or China will "only" loose a low single digits of population.

Communist countries not only wouldn't hesitate to do so, but have a history doing that to themselves.

USSR killed at a minimum 10% of its own population with fully intentional punitive starvation. Mao did the same, and Pol Pot have beaten both.

Second. Even after a nuclear exchange, both superpowers would have at least a half of its military functioning, and very, very angry.

Third, after exhausting all nukes, and high-tech weaponry, both countries would proceed to a long, and exhausting conventional war, which will kill way more people than any nukes can.

Maybe the point is that armed people in a democracy is not that big of a deal, but armed people in a dictatorship can be a real problem.

It’s also unclear why Taiwan should be “recovered” at all, they were two factions of the cultural revolution sure, but that doesn’t mean they should be unified now any more than the UK should “recover” America.