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Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by 2mur »

MatthewPhillips wrote: post #89
2mur wrote: post #59

I'm not going back to linux on the desktop until it can sleep my laptop reliably. OSX is so nice for that. Just close the lid and go... I can't imagine working any other way now.

It isn't that sleep works reliable on OSX, it's that sleep works reliably on a Mac . You see, when you buy a Mac you know every feature (including sleep) has been tested thoroughly. When you decide to install an OS on a computer you already own, you put the onus to test on yourself . I don't understand why people continue to make this unfair comparison. If you want a linux computer where sleep just works, by a preins…

That's a good point. I actually had sleep working really well on 9.04 then upgraded to 10.04 and it broke. It's that type of pattern and the frustration that is worth the premium Apple tax I guess.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by mnutt »

kevindication wrote: post #87
regularfry wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only are fresh Ubuntus a bit touchy, but upgrading in-place has bitten me badly in the past. It's always a clean-slate install for me now.

Apt is the only system I've ever felt fully comfortable with when doing upgrades. It was neither a problem under Debian nor Ubuntu. Do you have a tendency to make system changes that get in the way of the upgrades? (i.e., where has it gotten stuck for you before?)

In the past I've found that if I installed packages that weren't in the main release I would sometimes run into gigantic dependency issues that I couldn't resolve without a clean reinstall.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by SkyMarshal »

joshfinnie wrote: post #37
jhawk28 wrote: post #35

Updated our server. Only issue was that I needed to reinstall Mercurial.

What benefits over the 10.04 LTS does this release have for the server? All I am hearing about it Unity, have you seen an improvement?

I'd like to know this too. Ubuntu Server is headless. I tend to stick with the LTS versions even for my desktop unless something really amazing is introduced in a subsequent non-LTS version.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by javanix »

JonnieCache wrote: post #92
beaumartinez wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitTorrent download speed has a lot less to do with bandwidth than with how many peers you can connect to, and downloading these things fresh there is often a lack of them. I BitTorrented the 64-bit Desktop edition it as soon as OMGUbuntu broke the news on Twitter and it took me around half an hour (for 700 MiB).

Maybe not when its that fresh. By the time its top of HN and /. then there are gonna be a LOT of high bandwidth peers.

Yep. I usually find that most reasonably popular Linux distros will max out my down connection over torrents. Pretty nice way of telling whether my ISP is throttling or lying to me about my bandwidth.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by javanix »

JonnieCache wrote: post #25

I'd like to point out that this is a good time to really test your connection. I've never downloaded anything faster than a torrent of a fresh ubuntu release.

Though unfortunately upddate files are still distributed through centralized repositories.

I wonder whether there'd be major security concerns if a torrent layer was stuck over the main centralized backbone? It could probably reduce bandwidth costs for hosting and provide better speeds to people, though keeping the "swarm" updated might be kind of tricky.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by eschulte »

javanix wrote: post #135
JonnieCache wrote: post #25

I'd like to point out that this is a good time to really test your connection. I've never downloaded anything faster than a torrent of a fresh ubuntu release.

Though unfortunately upddate files are still distributed through centralized repositories. I wonder whether there'd be major security concerns if a torrent layer was stuck over the main centralized backbone? It could probably reduce bandwidth costs for hosting and provide better speeds to people, though keeping the "swarm" updated might be kind of tricky.

+1 for this idea, I think "eventually updated" should be largely sufficient for a generally one-way change like repository updates.

I'm "live updating" right now, and the time estimates jump between 2 hours and four days depending (I believe, given the stability of my schools internet connection) on the load on the ubuntu repositories.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by wonginator1221 »

2mur wrote: post #59

I'm not going back to linux on the desktop until it can sleep my laptop reliably. OSX is so nice for that. Just close the lid and go... I can't imagine working any other way now.

I can't even say that my macbook sleeps reliably. There are some times where closing the lid fails to put my computer to sleep and manages to kill it's battery while it's in my bag. Occasionally, I'll open the lid and my macbook will not come out of sleep mode.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by doublerebel »

crocowhile wrote: post #95
lwhi wrote: post #6

As I use my Ubuntu desktop to actually get work done, I'm quite terrified about installing this release. I'm not sure I'll upgrade for a while yet, I want to find out what the general consensus is first.

That's why I moved to ARCH a few years ago. Only once did an an arch upgrade caused problems; with ubuntu it was a pain almost everytime.

Arch tends to keep configuration formats and file locations between major versions. I've found that with Ubuntu, simple things like mouse button config change drastically between versions. I love Arch on the server but Ubuntu is just too easy and has so much software available for the desktop.

For the last few Ubuntu versions I start with Ubuntu Minimal (30MB instead of 690MB) to avoid all the extra noobuser bloat that comes with Ubuntu default. This way I have a clean installation similar to Arch but without having to hand-configure everything.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by gcr »

technomancy wrote: post #105
fingerprinter wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, it might be if GnomeDo was installed by default and tweaked to do the same thing. But since it isn't, I would hardly call it "pointless", but rather, awesome.

It seems like that's a big theme with the latest Unity changes. Huge improvements over the default desktop, but nobody I know was using the default desktop; they all heavily modified it with devilspie, xmonad, and friends, which are far beyond what Unity offers. So while it seems like a good development in the abstract, it's hard for me to get excited about it personally.

One reason I used wmii instead of the default is because the default stunk. Unity is raising the bar on the default desktop now; I'll definitely give it another look.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by mgedmin »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #114
fingerprinter wrote: post #16

I've had it installed on my main machine since late December. There were some rough patches as things were landing during the beta period, but right now this is easily the best desktop I've ever used. My workflow adapted to some of the additions in Unity so quickly that it was absurd. At this point I could never go back to something without Super+#, Super+w, Super+s and the other keybindings found here: http://askubu…

>Just be sure to install compizconfigSettingsManager from the software center That's great to hear, I had just assumed Compiz wouldn't be available on Unity. I don't think I could live without Compiz Grid and Compiz Negative. Edit: I see Unity is actually built with Compiz. Somehow I missed that on the Ubuntu Unity website way back when I started reading about it to evaluate it.

Originally Unity was built with Mutter, then they switched to Compiz.
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