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Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#131

Post by tempfs »

Seems pretty clear by now that Mozilla is on a path to just slowly transform Firefox into Chrome or try to abandon it 'to the community' like they did with Thunderbird. Either way they've clearly signalled that they could not give a shit about Firefox any more.

Since Edge is basically Chrome with Microsoft's telemetry baked in that means that your browser choices will either be the one made directly by an ad company or Chrome repackaged by some other company that just wants to pipe the browser telemetry back into their already egregious OS telemetry pipeline.

It is definitely time for a fork or a fresh start with actual privacy, security and simplicity in mind.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#132

Post by staktrace »

varbhat wrote: post #36
varbhat wrote: post #22

Looks like Mozilla is becoming VPN company shifting it's previous focus which was on browserware. Mozilla VPN seems to be just rebranded resell of Mullavad VPN with Mozilla Goodies. Mozilla Monitor seems to use https://haveibeenpwned.com/ (also as seen in Firefox desktop) Mozilla Firefox Private Network looks like another Cloudflare Warp's rebrand (with litte good additions maybe?) seeing that it uses Cloudflare . Mo…

I am getting very much downvoted. Any fallacy in my reply? Please tell me so that i can correct it in future

To me your comment seems based on a misguided idea of what Mozilla is about. I recommend reading https://civilityandtruth.com/2020/08/13/mozillas-uncertain-f... for some good background.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#133

Post by nl »

thesimon wrote: post #73
varbhat wrote: post #22

Looks like Mozilla is becoming VPN company shifting it's previous focus which was on browserware. Mozilla VPN seems to be just rebranded resell of Mullavad VPN with Mozilla Goodies. Mozilla Monitor seems to use https://haveibeenpwned.com/ (also as seen in Firefox desktop) Mozilla Firefox Private Network looks like another Cloudflare Warp's rebrand (with litte good additions maybe?) seeing that it uses Cloudflare . Mo…

>and Management division may force in future to ditch Gecko and adopt Webkit/Blink in the hope that it could bring more userbase (just my thought) to lessen maintainance and focus on revenue. They laid off most people working on Servo, so the adoption of WebKit/Blink seems rather likely.

I wonder what the future is for Rust?

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#134

Post by eertami »

gilrain wrote: post #121
bfuclusion wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not worry about it? It's not like he can see it anyways, it's encrypted on the client.

That world certainly be the proper Silicon Valley approach: can this be used to harm people? shrug

I'm confused how much responsibility you want to put on a service provider.

If someone sends an encrypted email containing illegal content, is email then considered harmful?

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#135

Post by Spivak »

gilrain wrote: post #121
bfuclusion wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not worry about it? It's not like he can see it anyways, it's encrypted on the client.

That world certainly be the proper Silicon Valley approach: can this be used to harm people? shrug

I mean it's the dream, right? It's what we all wish we could build.

You design a system that gives you (the hoster) zero ability to inspect, modify, block, censor, restrict any of your users' content and in doing so you're allowed to abdicate all responsibility for how the system is used because you're literally incapable of controlling it. Pure infrastructure with none of the messy real-world bits.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#137

Post by kevincox »

jdashg wrote: post #94
thesimon wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>and Management division may force in future to ditch Gecko and adopt Webkit/Blink in the hope that it could bring more userbase (just my thought) to lessen maintainance and focus on revenue. They laid off most people working on Servo, so the adoption of WebKit/Blink seems rather likely.

Servo was never actually the heir-apparent to Gecko.

Never officially. But I think once they started to migrate components into Firefox it seemed obvious that the experiment was a "success" and that it was on the path to replacing gecko (starting piece by piece and maybe eventually making a switchover).

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#138

Post by steveklabnik »

nl wrote: post #133
thesimon wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>and Management division may force in future to ditch Gecko and adopt Webkit/Blink in the hope that it could bring more userbase (just my thought) to lessen maintainance and focus on revenue. They laid off most people working on Servo, so the adoption of WebKit/Blink seems rather likely.

I wonder what the future is for Rust?

https://blog.rust-lang.org/2020/08/18/laying-the-foundation-...

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#139

Post by nanagojo »

jdashg wrote: post #94
thesimon wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>and Management division may force in future to ditch Gecko and adopt Webkit/Blink in the hope that it could bring more userbase (just my thought) to lessen maintainance and focus on revenue. They laid off most people working on Servo, so the adoption of WebKit/Blink seems rather likely.

Servo was never actually the heir-apparent to Gecko.

You sure? https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/04/03/mozilla-and-samsung...

> Servo is an attempt to rebuild the Web browser from the ground up on modern hardware, rethinking old assumptions along the way.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#140

Post by nanagojo »

thesimon wrote: post #73
varbhat wrote: post #22

Looks like Mozilla is becoming VPN company shifting it's previous focus which was on browserware. Mozilla VPN seems to be just rebranded resell of Mullavad VPN with Mozilla Goodies. Mozilla Monitor seems to use https://haveibeenpwned.com/ (also as seen in Firefox desktop) Mozilla Firefox Private Network looks like another Cloudflare Warp's rebrand (with litte good additions maybe?) seeing that it uses Cloudflare . Mo…

>and Management division may force in future to ditch Gecko and adopt Webkit/Blink in the hope that it could bring more userbase (just my thought) to lessen maintainance and focus on revenue. They laid off most people working on Servo, so the adoption of WebKit/Blink seems rather likely.

The writing is on the wall at this stage. The current Mozilla have no will to keep maintaining Gecko, which in their eyes is seen as burning money which could be spent on "Product".
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