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U.S. attorney general: Hollywood, tech companies “pawns of Chinese influence”

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Post by vmception »

nostrademons wrote: post #109
tomp wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is, if you think you’re not in a Cold War while the other guy thinks you are. Before you realize it, it’s already too late.

I think one point the grandparent is alluding to is that there are more than two ways to slice up the world . Cold-War thinking assumes a bipolar world - Allied vs. Axis, U.S. vs. Russia, NATO vs. Warsaw Pact, now U.S. vs. China. But that's not the only way to look at the world. Even restricting yourself to dualities, you could also view it as Commerce vs. Guardians [1], people who think for themselves vs. people who…

Grandparent poster here, this is exactly what I was aiming to say regarding the nation-state as a social organizing principle being obsolete and the dualities being equally irrelevant.

The final thing I would say is that communism lost, except in name alone, so that makes this perspective so much easier! All major powers reformed to market based economies and dropped the strict marxist ideologies, even if some teach it and don't point out the contradictions.

Re: U.S. attorney general: Hollywood, tech companies “pawns of Chinese influence”

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Post by muleroid »

cowmoo728 wrote: post #118

There is so much to unpack here that it's difficult to even get started. The US government has encouraged companies to work with China for decades. I remember it being big news when GM opened a joint venture in China in 1997. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAIC-GM The Clinton administration pushed hard to increase trade with China and make it easier for American companies to outsource manufacturing. https://en.wikiped…

Historically the US trade relationship with China was based on a principal that doing so would encourage the adoption of democracy there. Seeing as how that hasn't happened, this kind of rhetoric could just be an attempt to course correct (maybe overly so).

I'm sure the upcoming elections also play a part in this. The article briefly mentions that as well.

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Post by hungryhobo »

ralmidani wrote: post #114
hungryhobo wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't argue my point and has to resort to ad hominem, kinda figured. But I think it's just as important having people with different opinions on this platform, I think you kinda prove my point

> it's just as important having people with different opinions Too bad the regime you defend isn't as enlightened as you are.

You think people in china have one opinion?

Re: U.S. attorney general: Hollywood, tech companies “pawns of Chinese influence”

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Post by jerrac »

cowmoo728 wrote: post #118

There is so much to unpack here that it's difficult to even get started. The US government has encouraged companies to work with China for decades. I remember it being big news when GM opened a joint venture in China in 1997. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAIC-GM The Clinton administration pushed hard to increase trade with China and make it easier for American companies to outsource manufacturing. https://en.wikiped…

> Virtually every large american company needs clear laws on working with China. I partially agree. Yes, the Federal government should heavily regulate trade with China.

But companies don't need to wait on the Government to do what is right. Companies could have ignored any Government push to do business in China.

Outsourcing ethics to Government regulation is just plain wrong.

Re: U.S. attorney general: Hollywood, tech companies “pawns of Chinese influence”

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Post by hungryhobo »

stx wrote: post #129
hungryhobo wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do you find it kinda scary that you can hate a regime so much given that you've never been to said country? I'm 99% sure you've never been to China given what you wrote.

I have been to China and have family from there. I can confirm that what he is saying is correct. China plays by a different set of rules.

A set of rules that benefitted my family and hundred of millions of others, I'm sorry that your family was left out, surely the US is taking good care of you now

Re: U.S. attorney general: Hollywood, tech companies “pawns of Chinese influence”

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

kube-system wrote: post #59
fouc wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC, last year Apple setup a server within China for holding the iCloud security keys for the Chinese-owned iPhones? Definitely some collaboration there..

iCloud in China is operated by Guizhou-Cloud Big Data Industry Co Ltd, which is owned by the Guizhou provincial government. As I understand, it isn't Apple's servers at all. China has some strict protectionist policies for a fairly decent list industries, not just tech. Many foreign companies that operate in China have to do so through joint ventures or other partnerships with domestic Chinese companies. https://supp…

The list of sectors that require joint ventures and majority Chinese ownership has been decreasing over time. Most sectors do not have such restrictions nowadays.

For several decades, there has been a general trend - which was greatly accelerated by China's WTO accession - of barriers to trade decreasing in China. In popular discussions of China's trade and economic policies in the West, there's rarely any recognition of this fact.

Average tariffs have been reduced to about 3.4%, which is about the same level as the US applied as recently as the mid-1990s. Much of the state sector was privatized and the majority of the economy is now private. Intellectual property enforcement is way up - it's been completely overhauled in just the last 6 years, with specialized courts set up and a very large volume of IP cases being heard every year now. There have been huge changes, which most of the public in the West has little to no idea bout, and which find no reflection in the popular discussion.

Re: U.S. attorney general: Hollywood, tech companies “pawns of Chinese influence”

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Post by tkinom »

vmception wrote: post #131
nostrademons wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think one point the grandparent is alluding to is that there are more than two ways to slice up the world . Cold-War thinking assumes a bipolar world - Allied vs. Axis, U.S. vs. Russia, NATO vs. Warsaw Pact, now U.S. vs. China. But that's not the only way to look at the world. Even restricting yourself to dualities, you could also view it as Commerce vs. Guardians [1], people who think for themselves vs. people who…

Grandparent poster here, this is exactly what I was aiming to say regarding the nation-state as a social organizing principle being obsolete and the dualities being equally irrelevant. The final thing I would say is that communism lost , except in name alone, so that makes this perspective so much easier! All major powers reformed to market based economies and dropped the strict marxist ideologies, even if some teach…

"communism lost, except in name alone" - unfortunately not according the CCP / Xi.

They/He still thinks China are winning according the Communism/Socialism principals and not before the Deng's market reform 30/40 years ago.

Re: U.S. attorney general: Hollywood, tech companies “pawns of Chinese influence”

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Post by devmunchies »

tw04 wrote: post #132

And the republican leadership all the way to the top have become "pawns of Russian influence" - I can tell you which is more damaging to the sovereignty of this nation...

And both sides are pawns of Israeli influence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Wadi#Multinational_tec...
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