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What do you mean with won't do what they're told ? Disclaimer : am Dutch.
Likely the OP means they will not submissively do exclusively what they are told; in a no questions asked, military-style command and control sort of way. More specifically, will answer to ridiculous demands of “we need this by tomorrow.”
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I think it's not a dichotomy if it's good or bad, when you think from which stakeholder perspective you are using, the answer is diametrically opposite: "Outsourcing devs to India" - this may be an oversimplification - Shareholders: Saving money, more money to Shareholders pocket hopefully - Management: Decreasing costs, better path to achieve xyz goals; therefore easier to meet bonus targets - Dev team: Increasing u…
When things do go wrong, there's a bit of an attitude of "of course it broke, they sent all the jobs overseas!"
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Paying $80k a year in India would get you top level talent. They’d pay less than that. Uber is preparing for a death spiral as their financial backing runs out and they need to shrink to the profitable markets.
> Uber is preparing for a death spiral as their financial backing runs out and they need to shrink to the profitable markets. Many of their top markets have ruled their drivers are employees (or requiring similar compensation/benefits), except Brazil. I'm unsure if they can remain anywhere near their current size (versus the headcount of a traditional livery service) based on that regulatory environment, even with Mc…
That alone should make people suspicious of this legislation. In the long run, this is really, really good for Uber/Lyft.
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Sure, though it takes a bit of time for the actors to become conscious they'll get the same value at a lower price.
They've had plenty of time and they were plenty conscious. And here I am getting paid well for writing code without a comp sci degree.
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Just wondering why they don't want to outsource to europe. Here in Germany you will get good engineers for $80k. Or east europe is even cheaper + better cultural fit.
Employees in countries like India are more disposable. In theory if you mean by eastern europe the part that is in EU even that one has some decent labor laws to prevent companies like Uber from firing at will. I think even Ukraine or Belarus do.
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For a single without kids, 50%, meaning 40k in your pocket, is a good rule of thumb, yes.
So an 80k salary in Germany involves the employee paying 50% and the company paying another 20k on top of that?
Why would you hire an $80k Indian when you could easily hire an $80k American from somewhere with lower costs of living than Silicon Valley.
That $80k American is at a higher chance of leaving for opportunities domestically. Who is paying domestically $80k or +$80k/year in India? Probably just FANNG. I live in Canada and my assumption would be payroll & state taxes would be less in India compared to USA. There is also the advantage of having great leverage over a country when being a big fish in a smaller pool like in India.
From anecdotal experience, turnover is much higher in India. Changing jobs every 2 years seems to be the standard way of advancing your career and getting a good raise.
I used to think this was a bad thing, but these days I'm not so sure. Assuming you can get the same (or similar) talent in India instead of the US, doesn't it make sense to do your development in a place where your money goes farther? The capitalist in me sees this as a win: more value for shareholders, and a big life improvement for Indians. Can someone explain to me why it's a bad thing? I understand it might be ba…
That said, I think the debates mostly come from the amount of times this has gone very poorly in the past. CEOs who come in to cut costs are often CEOs who aim to replace their top of the line US employees with not top of the line Indian employees but bulk middling/bad Indian employees. And for the US employees who remain this makes working with their code awful and slowly drains the company into a mess that people then have to deal with when inevitably things get bad enough to bring everyone back on shore.
When I’ve worked at companies who pay the money for good Indian employees, they’ve been reasonable to great to work with. But that’s rarely been how offshoring has worked out in my experience.