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Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by DevKoala »

baddox wrote: post #93
jackcodes wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it’s a private discussion between two people of opposing views. Same reason you can still text your friends even if you work in public office.

If you had any suggestion for the website of an open source project, wouldn't you discuss that publicly? I don't think you would privately contact the single person who is in control of the project's website, at least not initially.

No, you contact the website admin and discuss the suggestion in the communication medium of their preference. After all, you are making the request to them. Not the other way around.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by nickff »

makomk wrote: post #68
nickff wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the unfortunate reality is that some people are intolerant of others who are insufficiently supportive of certain causes, and the only way to deal with those people is not to deal with them. The subject of this thread seems to be one of those people.

I think the unfortunate reality is that this isn't about individual people expecting support for certain causes. What you're looking at is fundamentally a social phenomenon - a belief that's been spreading from person to person and community to community that every person in the social group must support the correct causes in the correct ways, that anyone who doesn't go along with this is actively going against the c…

I agree that this type of toxic peer-pressure is spreading, and I have no idea what to do about it. It reminds me of what Louis Fischer and Arthur Koestler described in their respective essays in "The God That Failed".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_that_Failed

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by cameronbrown »

m_ke wrote: post #106
oh_sigh wrote: post #65

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Does not liking affirmative action make you racist? Isn't affirmative action or equivalent considered illegal in the UK(and perhaps EU in general but I'm not sure) Is the UK more racist than the US?

I'm not claiming that he's a racist but it takes a special kind of person to write a book against multiculturalism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG9iG0cSjbc

It's just an opinion. Like literally _everything_ in life, multiculturalism has pros and cons that must be studied and analysed for us to understand the effects.

FWIW I've not read the book, but the existence of such a book isn't necessarily racist.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by Avicebron »

zachrip wrote: post #18
Avicebron wrote: post #3

There isn't a lot of information, for what it's worth I would be interested in how "public" his confrontation was, depending on that this could be more of a knee-jerk "this person is yikes" vs. sinister "don't stray from the party line"

Extremely public: https://twitter.com/aweary/status/1267895488205869057 - so public in fact, he brought the private messages out publicly as well.

As much as I want to be sympathetic, if I was his co-worker I would feel very publicly harassed especially when the co-worker explicitly was conferring to him privately.

Sure shame the monolith that is FB, I would even say shame Zuckerberg he controls the place. But don't shame a fellow engineer who you work with, he didn't have any say in what FB was doing.

Also long term ineffective, if you promote a culture of shaming private conversations, then nothing happens because no one talks.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by stevehawk »

sky_rw wrote: post #109
dvt wrote: post #45

I'm so over this political posturing. I can't wait for ~2 weeks when everyone's going to go back to their lives like nothing happened (remember #OccupyWallStreet?). People that actually change the world don't need to advertise it on Twitter. I have friends that volunteer in Watts and Compton every other weekend (and have done so for years ) that don't need to share it on social media. I can't help but think that this…

My friend, you may not be aware that there is an election in a few months. This chaos will continue to escalate all summer and into the fall. Then once Trump wins re-election your really gonna see some slacktavism.

in particular because our president refuses to be eclipsed in newspaper headlines so he's likely to keep doing things that keeps these protests relevant for the next few months. (unlike #occupy)

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by [deleted] »

cameronbrown wrote: post #108
marta_morena_24 wrote: post #99

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Yep. This guy is the textbook definition of toxic. There is nothing worse than people who want to inflict their own opinion on others. Yeah you can think of Trumps tweets what you want, censorship is a big thing too you know... The problem is not Trumps tweets, its that 40% of Americans are supporting Trump that should worry us. But then again, you can't inflict your own opinion on others. The only way to do somethin…

> 40% of Americans are supporting Trump that should worry us Hmm, mob rule and "educating people why they are wrong" does one thing - it sends these people underground and it's why Trump might win again: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/03/secret-donal... I'd rather have these ideas out in the open where people can defeat the arguments properly without ad-hominem, rather than shouting them down. And hell,…

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Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by renaudg »

“I do get a sense sometimes now among certain young people, and this is accelerated by social media, there is this sense sometimes of: ‘The way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible about other people, and that’s enough.”

“Like, if I tweet or hashtag about how you didn’t do something right or used the wrong verb, then I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself, cause, ‘Man, you see how woke I was, I called you out.’”

“That’s not activism. That’s not bringing about change. If all you’re doing is casting stones, you’re probably not going to get that far. That’s easy to do.”

- Barack Obama

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/31/us/politics/obama-woke-ca...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaHLd8de6nM

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by baddox »

devmunchies wrote: post #129
baddox wrote: post #89

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In this case, it's a public open source project that was being discussed. That both people are also Facebook developers (and from what I can tell both worked on the project as part of their job), doesn't seem particularly relevant.

It’s absolutely relevant. Whether it’s a public open source project or a fight over sports in a pub, there is a line you cannot cross if the other person is a co-worker. Context is everything.

Of course there is a line you can't cross. But asking someone to do something, then saying they didn't do, does not seem to be past that line to me. That seems like something that would happen very routinely.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by thisiszilff »

donw wrote: post #113
dlp211 wrote: post #46

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> where mob rule is becoming the status quo. The Government of the US is currently (mostly) controlled by a party that received fewer votes.

No, only the current President received less of the popular vote. The government is more than just the President. Congressbeings are elected via direct election in their districts. The Electoral College is working as designed. It was never intended to implement a direct democracy. Here's a video that goes into more detail on the Electoral College and the Popular Vote Compact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUX-frlNB…

Aside: This is the first time I've seen "congressbeing" and from now on it will be my preferred term.
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