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Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by jacquesm »

usrusr wrote: post #84
gzer0 wrote: post #32

Around 99% of the patients developed a high temperature, while more than half experienced fatigue and a dry cough. About a third also experienced muscle pain and difficulty breathing. Research from the Chinese Center for Disease Control suggests that around 80% of coronavirus cases are mild. Around 15% of patients have gotten severe cases, and 5% have become critically ill. Here's how symptoms progress among typical…

Regarding an uncontrolled outbreak (we can't just quarantine everyone, everywhere without secondary effects from economic collapse getting more deadly than the disease itself), the number I find myself speculating about most is how many would be dead or permanently harmed in absence of intensive care? Because no health system in the world would have the capacity to put more than about one in thousand people in intens…

> Because no health system in the world would have the capacity to put more than about one in thousand people in intensive care.

Try one in ten thousand. And that's in the most developed countries with the best healthcare.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by throwawayhhakdl »

[deleted] wrote: post #106
avindroth wrote: post #46

According to this video[1], there are speculations that given its high mortality rate, the virus in Iran has mutated. [1]: https://youtu.be/02TwdiRUJTA

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Spreading scary ideas that could “maybe” be true to laypeople with no ability to interpret “maybe” is highly likely to be more help than hurt

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by wibr »

squiggleblaz wrote: post #109
mfjordvald wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netherlands though, not the US. If they're anything like most of Europe then a doctors note is all you need to still be paid while sick more than 1-2 days.

I think it's even possible to get a sick leave from a business you own in some European countries. But how about if you run the business on your own, and you're concerned that if you take two weeks off the business will lose many customers who won't come back? (I was shocked when I saw the they put the name of the illness on the note. That's so far from my employers business that it should be illegal to even ask. Emp…

The note for your employer does not contain any information about the reason for the sick leave in Germany, the one for your health insurance does.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by thdrdt »

allovernow wrote: post #13

Is it time to start treating this like a big deal yet? Their first case was three weeks ago and 50 deaf already? This virus is unprecedented and it is only responsible for individuals with means to start preparing. No reason to wait for the government to tell you to do so. Plus each person that does it early is one less for the potential store rush.

It is bad, but your are still more likely be killed by cancer or a car accident.

Ebola is a virus that could be unprecedented. That's a serious killer and I am glad it is not traveling as fast as Corona.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by JshWright »

qiqitori wrote: post #104
JshWright wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

World-o-meter isn't the definitive source for that information. Does the big counter at the top include the large number of people who contracted the disease, but never progressed past a mild stage, and so never reported it to their doctor? The WHO number is based on more than just the known cases vs deaths tally.

> Does the big counter at the top include the large number of people who contracted the disease, but never progressed past a mild stage, and so never reported it to their doctor? The big counter is based on official stats reported by the various countries and is equal to the numbers published by the WHO. Obviously, nobody knows the number of people who had it but didn't report it. You could do random sampling and get…

> Obviously, nobody knows the number of people who had it but didn't report it.

Just because we don't know the exact number doesn't mean there aren't ways to estimate.

My point is that estimating a mortality rate involves a lot more than simply doing a single arithmetic operation.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by jumbopapa »

taurath wrote: post #130
gzer0 wrote: post #32

Around 99% of the patients developed a high temperature, while more than half experienced fatigue and a dry cough. About a third also experienced muscle pain and difficulty breathing. Research from the Chinese Center for Disease Control suggests that around 80% of coronavirus cases are mild. Around 15% of patients have gotten severe cases, and 5% have become critically ill. Here's how symptoms progress among typical…

In the US, a 2 week stay in the hospital will cost you upwards of $50,000. Even if you have insurance, understand it will be a significant cost to you. If you’re uninsured like 20 million Americans or underinsured like 80 million, going to the hospital means automatic bankruptcy. Every day our broken healthcare system will force many people to choose between all their families assets and getting care. This should not…

It is my understand that it is highly unlikely an uninsured person would ever pay anything close to the billed "price." Same is true for insurance companies.

Edit: Some are telling me this isn't true, but what does a hospital have to gain from someone filing bankruptcy? Why would they charge such high prices that no one can afford? I would think that some money is better than no money.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by turk73 »

taurath wrote: post #130
gzer0 wrote: post #32

Around 99% of the patients developed a high temperature, while more than half experienced fatigue and a dry cough. About a third also experienced muscle pain and difficulty breathing. Research from the Chinese Center for Disease Control suggests that around 80% of coronavirus cases are mild. Around 15% of patients have gotten severe cases, and 5% have become critically ill. Here's how symptoms progress among typical…

In the US, a 2 week stay in the hospital will cost you upwards of $50,000. Even if you have insurance, understand it will be a significant cost to you. If you’re uninsured like 20 million Americans or underinsured like 80 million, going to the hospital means automatic bankruptcy. Every day our broken healthcare system will force many people to choose between all their families assets and getting care. This should not…

So what's your plan? Socialized medicine? I mean, it's working out so great for those Chinese folks, right?

Making everyone else pay for you is no better of a solution, it's just shifting the costs around someplace else, which honestly is selfish of you to decide how I should deploy my ever-dwindling supply of cash reserves. I have two kids to put through college but Bernie and all his Democrat pals want to confiscate as much of my money as possible to pay for someone else's stuff, probably the 20 million illegals who showed up here unannounced, or maybe just swindle the money the way Democrats have done for DECADES.

It's coming to the point where guys like me might as well take up arms against people like YOU and just put and end to it. Get my drift?

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by brutt »

jacquesm wrote: post #129
wcoenen wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What exactly worries you about mass hysteria and panic? Why would that be worse than what is likely to happen as Covid-19 spreads outside of China? Think houses getting torched because the inhabitants are suspected of having the virus. Judging from what happened in Ukraine, we're getting closer to that kind of hysteria. https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-riots-erupt-in-ukraine-as-...

Morons. Ukraine has 0 confirmed cases as of today. Though there obviously may be cases there this is beyond ridiculous.

In same situation in USA, government informed people, so conflict was resolved via court. In Ukraine, government kept peoples uniformed, then used armed police against people, despite the law.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by JanSt »

squiggleblaz wrote: post #109
mfjordvald wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netherlands though, not the US. If they're anything like most of Europe then a doctors note is all you need to still be paid while sick more than 1-2 days.

I think it's even possible to get a sick leave from a business you own in some European countries. But how about if you run the business on your own, and you're concerned that if you take two weeks off the business will lose many customers who won't come back? (I was shocked when I saw the they put the name of the illness on the note. That's so far from my employers business that it should be illegal to even ask. Emp…

"(I was shocked when I saw the they put the name of the illness on the note. That's so far from my employers business that it should be illegal to even ask. Employees and consumers rights in Germany seem to be seriously limited.)"

You get multiple papers in Germany. The one without (!) diagnosis is for your employer.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by microcolonel »

I've seen speculation that the virus in Iran has mutated (or the environment is somehow different), and is producing extremely aggressive complications, killing patients within hours of their hospitalization.

At this time of year, there will be even more mass face-kissing and hand-shaking going on than usual. There are entire communities of travelling super-spreaders in Iran right now, this is extremely serious.

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