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In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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I dream of a day when India isn't perennially hyphenated to Pakistan. How does it matter to India how Pakistan treats its minorities? How is that a yardstick for our morality? Shouldn't the yardstick be a more successful nation a la Norway?

because they were part of india. Move one mile into india then chase locals. then move another mile. This has been the tactic for the past 200 years.

Keyword: were

We can't be yoked perennially to the past.

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Excellent New Yorker piece about this (I submitted it to HN when it came out but it didn't get any traction): https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/12/09/blood-and-soil... Fascism is gaining in many parts of the world today. But the 'other' this time aren't Jews, they're Muslims.

> Fascism is gaining in many parts of the world today. But the 'other' this time aren't Jews, they're Muslims. As someone from a Muslim country, this comparison strikes me as facile and ignorant. It’s not just a group of people being viewed as “the other.” Even Muslim majority countries are facing challenges. In Bangladesh, the government is taking actions that people in western countries would probably liken to “fas…

The question is does Sheikh Hasina think that she has free hand from India to be anti democratic as long as she keeps these guys in line? It’s kind of hard to tell these religious types that death penalty for blasphemy is a no go when you’re handing it out to your political opponents.

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Check out the analysis of 200 prime-time debates done by peeing human. Republic, India TV, Zee News, ABP News, Aaj Tak, Times Now, Sudarshan News and countless regional channels are pro-govt. NDTV is the last channel standing.

r/india can make up for all of them. r/india Mods insta-ban any pro-BJP/pro-India/pro-conservative commenters. Now, THAT is fascism. Check out r/indiaspeaks where dissenting opinions are not banned.

Fascism is not a word you make up and throw about willy-nilly. It describes a specific form of authoritarian government.

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> Fascism is gaining in many parts of the world today. But the 'other' this time aren't Jews, they're Muslims. As someone from a Muslim country, this comparison strikes me as facile and ignorant. It’s not just a group of people being viewed as “the other.” Even Muslim majority countries are facing challenges. In Bangladesh, the government is taking actions that people in western countries would probably liken to “fas…

The question is does Sheikh Hasina think that she has free hand from India to be anti democratic as long as she keeps these guys in line? It’s kind of hard to tell these religious types that death penalty for blasphemy is a no go when you’re handing it out to your political opponents.

I was speaking with my dad about this the other day (who was a politically active university student during independence). He thought that she has quite a bit of leeway to be anti-democratic so long as GDP growth stays around 8% per year. He has been back several times in the last few years, and what struck him was how muted the response has been from BNP supporters. Economic growth seems to have hushed a lot of criticism and partisanship.

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I actively read r/india and there hasn't been a single day for the past two months now that horrendous reports of Police rioting, looting, and killing civilians (predominantly Muslims) come up but is never reported by the main-stream media. There have been numerous cases where the ruling political party has mobilised its pro-violence groups with a free-reign to do as they please. Never has a public personality been i…

r/india Mods insta-ban any pro-BJP/pro-India/pro-conservative commenters. Now, THAT is fascism. Check out r/indiaspeaks where dissenting opinions are not banned.

r/india is just cesspool. They do not care about free speech or liberty; they just want to control the narrative. The comments section is a shit show. It's hard to find a decent comment. It's all gomutra/sanghi/fascist/chaddi. At least on the other Indiaverse subs, we see some decent discussion. The best debates on CAA are on r/IndiaSpeaks. It's pro-BJP, but you can still criticize them there. And a lot of randians have found an outlet there.

Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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I really struggle to understand the Indian right wing perspective. There is absolutely no practical way to achieve their goal of a theocratic nation with the country still being intact. As much as they might want to fantasize about it, you can't wish away 200M minorities. Nor can you economically progress if 200M minorities are ghettoized.

The 200M Indian Muslims are already ghettoized. And they do not mix. RSS's vision of Hindu Majoritarian India is a constitutional democracy without any minority appeasement.

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The right wing party in India came to power in 2014 in a perfect storm of a very popular leader and a pretty weak opposition. Opposition was further weakened electorally with demonetization right before elections in the most populous state of India (UP). They were able to successfully capture most institutions (RBI, supreme courts, investigative agencies) in addition to capturing the media through corporate ownership…

What about BJP ticking/checking out election manifesto one by one and delivering. While Congress is just whining about everything with their ClownPrince pappu on the helm.

People must vote for progress.

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r/india Mods insta-ban any pro-BJP/pro-India/pro-conservative commenters. Now, THAT is fascism. Check out r/indiaspeaks where dissenting opinions are not banned.

r/india is just cesspool. They do not care about free speech or liberty; they just want to control the narrative. The comments section is a shit show. It's hard to find a decent comment. It's all gomutra/sanghi/fascist/chaddi. At least on the other Indiaverse subs, we see some decent discussion. The best debates on CAA are on r/IndiaSpeaks. It's pro-BJP, but you can still criticize them there. And a lot of randians h…

Having spent more than 10 years on r/India, it is saddening to see it in its current form. An outright ban of people with a difference of opinion has taken r/India to a whole new level of bigotry.

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He isn't some foreign affairs expert. He made the decision to support Chavez based on the information he (and we) had access to at that time, much of which painted Chavez favorably. We, of course, came to know later that the house was rotting on the inside. But that's just hindsight

What makes you think he has better information this time?

I'd say that there isn't as big a language barrier in understanding Indian politics. The English language media landscape in the country is thriving and there is a massive, vibrant internet presence.

India's democratic roots also mean that information is far more transparent.

Re: In India What We Are Seeing Is the Symptoms of Fascism: Noam Chomsky

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> Karthik: Right. Maybe you can give some other examples in the world. But he was celebrated when he was administering the occupation of Kashmir. But the moment he criticized the BJPs occupation of Kashmir, the moment he criticized it as reducing Kashmir to a “vassal state”, he’s been in prison. > NC: In prison? > Karthik: Yes, in prison, without charges. This news article ( https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-…

Chidambaram and his entire family are a bunch of amoral kleptocrats. He laid the roots of the current Indian security state before Modi was elected. He is now being prosecuted for arm twisting and even blackmailing corporates into giving him money, shares etc. If there were any justice in this world, that man would die in a jail cell along with his son. Now your comment is implying that he is some persecuted liberal rights activist. This is either pretty clueless or a malicious attempt to sway opinions of people, who being outsiders, know nothing.
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