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Re: Nostalgia for Minecraft

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What the game really needs is what was promised ages ago: a mod API on the C++ edition.

And a linux version of the C++ version.

Bedrock sever is available for Linux. No client yet, although there is a hacky launcher which runs the android binary on Linux and works alright.

Re: Nostalgia for Minecraft

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A multiplayer persistent world like Minecraft with physics would be amazing, and probably replicate Minecraft's success. e.g. If I chop down a tree at the top of a hill it could roll down and potentially wreck your house. Or causing cave-ins and avalanches from indiscriminate mining. Building dams and rerouting rivers. Building realistic defenses and then siege weapons. Fun Add in critter breeding and predation for d…

>>A multiplayer persistent world like Minecraft with physics would be amazing, and probably replicate Minecraft's success. That is something that I'm actually trying to create. Although my focus is a world where you can create machines that are simulated by a physics engine. Users will be able to create humanoid robots, a mechanical giant clock, etc. Think Minecraft for machines. I'm still in the early stages right n…

Looking for help?

Re: Nostalgia for Minecraft

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I really think Minecraft mods are an underused method for teaching programming. I first got into programming in 7th grade developing mods. Times have changed, but ~5 years ago there were great tutorials, documentation, and good support channels (IRC) for modders. If regular development is too complicated, there are mods that add programmable computers (Lua, iirc). You can use them to mine, build, automate, or in the…

Nowadays there is Minecraft education edition; a variant of the Bedrock version which has a code editor to create automations, and a classroom mode. Aimed much more at schools than at individual student-hacker-learners, but a lot more accessible IMO, and has a heap of resources/docs and communities for those teachers.

Is there any way to get this version? I would love to use this with my kids.

Re: Nostalgia for Minecraft

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A multiplayer persistent world like Minecraft with physics would be amazing, and probably replicate Minecraft's success. e.g. If I chop down a tree at the top of a hill it could roll down and potentially wreck your house. Or causing cave-ins and avalanches from indiscriminate mining. Building dams and rerouting rivers. Building realistic defenses and then siege weapons. Fun Add in critter breeding and predation for d…

IIRC, Markus Petersson, the creator of Minecraft, worked for a long time on Wurm Online, an MMO where you can kinda do what you're talking about - as a group or individual, you can level forests, dig down mountains, build roads, cities, etc. It's a slow and labor-intensive grind but it is a game where as a community you can change the whole game world's geography. I saw it was on Steam the other day, I guess they tri…

When I read this for some reason I envisioned a game where you need a huge group of players to slowly accomplish changing the landscape, like you’re a literal worm digging away at your patch of dirt with millions of others.

Picture my disappointment when I realised they meant wurm like a dragon wyrm.

Re: Nostalgia for Minecraft

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I don't know. They've added a ton of underwater content, new structures, mobs (bees, foxes, llamas, phantoms, drowns, etc), sunken ships and treasure maps. If anything, they've had a better release cycle since the acquisition.

the new structures and content that reward exploration are great! the new mobs, not so much. they don't have a purpose in game that wasn't fulfilled already, and while I appreciate the diversity they give not something new to do, just more of the same. what'd be interesting are additions that open up new things to do, like that parcour level demo that show off the new wax block, but tbh wax and bees scale seems off c…

> what would be having a sky dimension accessible with the elytra wings?

This is something that definitely needs to be added at some point. One problem I would see is that there is already a very good mod that does that. In a sense they are between a rock and an hard place in trying to both copy and not copy it.

Re: Nostalgia for Minecraft

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A multiplayer persistent world like Minecraft with physics would be amazing, and probably replicate Minecraft's success. e.g. If I chop down a tree at the top of a hill it could roll down and potentially wreck your house. Or causing cave-ins and avalanches from indiscriminate mining. Building dams and rerouting rivers. Building realistic defenses and then siege weapons. Fun Add in critter breeding and predation for d…

> So if you slay too many Gorgs soon there would be none left. Leave them alone and they'll eat all the Fraggles. Players would form culling expeditions every week. [...] I think the venerable Ultima Online had a few features like that, or was supposed to, not completely sure. Ultima Online tried to have such an ecology, but the players didn't react to it as described despite the game designers giving players minimal…

Original lead designer of the game here.

Richard's recollection is flawed on this (he wasn't close enough to the tech to know why it failed).

Reason #1: the closed loop fell victim to hoarding, particularly because the advancement system encouraged the production of goods with no value, as explicated in great detail in Zach Booth Simpson's detailed paper on "The In-Game Economics of Ultima Online."

Slides: https://studylib.net/doc/9778818/the-in-game-economics-of-ul...

Paper: https://web.archive.org/web/20090207141813/https://www.mine-...

Reason #2: the cost of pathfinding for the searches was too great. The Sims later solved this by having the agents in a very similar system use simple hillclimbing, with resources broadcast into a map.

Re: Nostalgia for Minecraft

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When it takes 30 minutes to load your mod pack and even with a RAM disk and a healthy number of fast cores on a dedicated server you're still dipping below 20 fps on some occasions, it's time for a leaner edition than java. I'm not even saying java is inherently the problem, but the java edition of minecraft is not performant and the bedrock edition is.

As I remember from setting up a server way, way back is you want to give that JVM as much memory as you can trow at it.

I haven't hosted modded servers in many years but a while ago the advice was to avoid (4, 8] GB (might have been 6.5 instead of 8, I don't remember, but the point is there's a dead zone) because of something weird with the garbage collection. I think it had to switch to 64-bit pointers or something. Anyway the worse garbage collection outweighed the memory advantage. I personally never hosted with more than 4gb.

IIRC more memory also increases GC time so after a certain point the GC causes such annoying lagspikes it's often better to play with less.

Re: Nostalgia for Minecraft

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>>A multiplayer persistent world like Minecraft with physics would be amazing, and probably replicate Minecraft's success. That is something that I'm actually trying to create. Although my focus is a world where you can create machines that are simulated by a physics engine. Users will be able to create humanoid robots, a mechanical giant clock, etc. Think Minecraft for machines. I'm still in the early stages right n…

Looking for help?

Thanks for the offer. I will need people to try out the first release if you are interested. Will announce the first usable release here in a couple of months.

Re: Nostalgia for Minecraft

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The performance would be pretty bad. Every time someone placed or broke a block, the game would have to check if there was a heavy object above it that now has to fall, if there was water flowing through that voxel that now has to be rerouted, etc etc. Combine this with many players in one world and you will not get many server ticks per second.

Just from the top of my head without thinking it through: If it was all deterministic, servers might just send player input and the physics simulations could happen locally on players' devices. And as the sibling comment said, multiple servers each handling a small region of the world (both gamespace and meatspace.)

User-side calculation makes it prone to hacking.

Re: Nostalgia for Minecraft

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The problem I had with Minetest, is that the base sandbox is quite boring and I think you're not supposed to be playing it on its own, but then when it comes to mods there is so much choice and I couldn't find a place to start from (something like: "if you are a beginner, start from these 5 mods"), so I don't know where to start from. Any suggestions?

Yeah. That's a common problem and mostly because nobody has time documenting this. The minetest page itself helps a bit (under customizing, but it's not that helpful admittedly). FWIW, here're my recommended mods: Basic gameplay: 3d armor, mobs_redo + mobs_monster Logic: mesecons, more mesecone, digilines Hard monsters: NSSM (not so simple mobs), dmob (dragons, etc) (both need mobs_redo) Building more: Homedecor Ther…

Just replying back to let you know that I'm enjoying Mineclone 2 a lot! Thanks again!
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