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Post by kyledrake » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 6:17 PM UTC

spoiledtechie wrote: post #85

ipsin wrote: post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

Its a CIVIL war that has been raging for the last 200 years. It won't stop anytime soon until there is diplomacy. Real diplomacy and HARD diplomacy is needed here. It can't be stopped unless people sit down and talk things out.

Post by maximente » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 6:19 PM UTC

WaxProlix wrote: post #106

luxuryballs wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea that US tax payers funding a military effort that isn’t involved in actually protecting the US should be considered here too, especially since we’ve probably endured more actual American deaths because of such activity. Spending money not protecting the people who are funding it is bad enough but putting the people funding it in more danger than they were before is really bad, that’s the opposite of…

And so you sell out and instantly betray your allies against ISIS the second they're not immediately useful anymore? Aside from the deeply troubling morality expressed there, you're setting yourself up to never have local allies in any future conflicts as we can all see just how well that's worked out in the past. The answer to "how do we not fund and die in foreign wars?" isn't "go to war in foreign countries over a…

Post by chloerei » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 6:25 PM UTC

scumbert wrote: post #124

ipsin wrote: post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

The mental gymnastics in this thread, yeesh. "The U.S. should leave and stop interfering!" and "The U.S. should stay and help the Kurds!" are not simultaneously possible.

Post by WaxProlix » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 6:31 PM UTC

maximente wrote: post #133

WaxProlix wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And so you sell out and instantly betray your allies against ISIS the second they're not immediately useful anymore? Aside from the deeply troubling morality expressed there, you're setting yourself up to never have local allies in any future conflicts as we can all see just how well that's worked out in the past. The answer to "how do we not fund and die in foreign wars?" isn't "go to war in foreign countries over a…

these loyalty types seem to suffer from classic irrational doubling-down syndrome where because the US made various mistakes in the past, we must atone for them by supporting our "allies" (often complicated, not-so-nice groups who contribute to regional instability even more once armed with latest US gadgets) in perpetuity. after all, what's a couple more military outposts given 100s already exist across the world? t…

Post by navigatesol » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 6:37 PM UTC

ipsin wrote: post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…