...how have things gotten objectively worse for young men?
This was just in my Twitter feed, „Drug, Alcohol and Suicide Mortality in white non-Hispanics by Birth Cohort“:
https://twitter.com/zachwahls/status/910282384297349120?s=21
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#132> Personal Reasons and Thoughts: My whole life I have been preparing for a future that currently doesn't exist. The job of my dreams will likely be automated. (...) It's only mentioned in passing but this may be the most relevant part for HN to discuss.
Migration, automation, and the meaning of life in the new western world.
Someone should write a book for white males, sadly we keep leaving this discussion to neonazis and white supremacists online instead of having it ourselves in the public realm...
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#133So is Facebook Live
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
You start out by making relatively innocent jokes about jews, and notice that certain portions of the anglosphere left and right really respond to this. Not only do they tell you that you can't say that, they also shower you with threats of violence. Successful troll is successful. So you go a bit further, start moving into actual anti-semitic jokes, conspiracies. Still just for the lulz, but it gets an even better r…
This wasn't really my experience. "Jokes" didn't lead people to becoming racist or white supremacist. What it did do though is make people who were actually white supremacist come in and try to spread their ideologies and win people over to their side, so they could convince a fraction, probably the minority of posters, to actually believing it, and eventually their numbers grew. The idea that people turned into whit…
I agree, I was responding to chvid's specific questions about how you go from jokes to becoming a true believer. I don't think that's something that happens to every joker, troll or shitposter - not even the majority.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
This keeps getting repeated but it's not exactly true, 8chan was started because Fredrick Brennan had a shroom trip where he saw an Ouroboros and came up with the idea to make a 4chan where you could make your own board. People then ended up migrating over during GamerGate because Moot was shutting down discussion of it.
Never hung around /v/ during those years, but my guess is it there was no censorship, it was just paranoia as usual. If they really cared so much about it, they could post on /b/.
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Even if they consider "3" to be "mass" it's a bit alarming.
The problem though is that numbers aren't really the salient characteristic here. If some gang kills 5 members of another gang, that's not really a "mass killing" in the sense that this El Paso thing was.
Not ideologically, but very much in the sense that the state has lost control of ensuring the safety of its citizens, which is what it boils down to at the end of the day.
There are very straight-forward steps to be taken to reduce both gang violence and the fanatic mass shootings, and they're not being pursued.
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
1) Of course they will. If they are willing to support terrorist, appearing a bit like an asshole online is not going to be a problem for them. 2) The point about not censoring opinions is not about these opinions being valid, it is about the tools you give the government to decide what should be considered terrorism or not. In France, after the mass shootings, the government took some anti-terrorist measures and alm…
Why has this to be done by the govt? For example, Hackers News filters such things without govt intervention, as do Twitter, Facebook and Reddit to a lesser extent. It has been shown that once you remove a platform, the idea itself dwindles. For example r/fatpeoplehate migrated to Voat but activity has been far far below compared to when it was on Reddit.
It also had been shown that 8chan had been created to discuss Gamergate, which was banned on 4chan, which, in turn, has been created to discuss anime, which was banned on Something Awful.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the last time that xenophobia was not stoped it cost over 80 million lives I assume you are referring to WWII - it is a strong assertion to claim that was a xenophobic war. The Nazis were xenophobic, but one suspects their driving motivations for actually doing something about it were economic. They were expanding because they famously thought they needed more space and resources, and the German economy prior to th…
Lebensraum was long, long before the Nazis. It was the goal of Imperial Germany in WW1, and became policy again under the Nazis. Probably dates back to the 19th century. The economics were irrelevant to the policy. Economics had nothing to do with pursuing the idea of racial purity and a superior race either. Untermensch goes back to the twenties and intertwines with the US eugenics that the Nazis cribbed from heavil…
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#139It was recently revealed that 8chan is funded primarily by selling sex tourism-themed audio books on Amazon. To my knowledge, Amazon has still not answered requests for comments, nor have they discontinued funding.
Here's the article: https://popular.info/p/exclusive-how-money-flows-from-amazon
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#140Does anyone have an idea of how big 8chan and 4chan is in terms of users? Just from the visible activity in there I can see they must be massive. I think Slate is incorrect in describing them as expression of traditional neo-nazism. To me they are quite their own thing. Born out of Anime culture and gaming-culture becoming a playground for role playing, trash talking, trolling, real-life pranks degenerating into what…
I think you've stumbled upon one of the most important and difficult cultural questions of our generation. I don't claim to have a robust theory, but I'll throw out an idea:
4chan becomes a place to say edgy racist things in order to get a rise out of people because it's amusing. Most people don't actually believe the racist things they say, but now saying racist things is normalized on the site, and it becomes more attractive to people who want to say racist things because they believe them and not just to get a rise out of people. Now it becomes very hard to tell who's an edgelord and who's a skinhead. When people develop friendships within this community, they aren't able to filter out the skinheads because they are indistinguishable from the edgelords.
First, skinheads' arguments sound a lot more convincing when they're coming from your friend's mouth as genuine professions of belief. Second, no edgelord wants to admit that someone else is too edgy for them, so there's social pressure for everyone in the friend group to adopt the beliefs of the most politically extreme member.