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Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by xmly »

mullen wrote: post #101
xmly wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have evidence the students were sent by foreign governments? Where is your claim coming from? From your imagination?

Your joking, right? https://supchina.com/2018/01/18/caught-in-a-crossfire-chines... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/us/chinese-students-weste... https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics/us-intelligence-chin... https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/07/chinas-long-arm-reaches...

Do all the news you listed provided any concrete evidence? Having the same opinion with the government on some topics does not mean they are controlled by the government or share all beliefs with the government.

Like I support Trump's government policy on making the health bills more transparent, but I do not agree with him on his 'racist' tweets.

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Post by __sy__ »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #127
__sy__ wrote: post #124

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Interesting, I was curious. Personally, I feel like the nationalism has gotten a lot worse / uncomfortable in Guangdong in recent years. I don't feel like it used to be this way in anything-goes Southern China.

I don’t think it was that bad in 1999, 2002 or 2008. Indoctrination was still a thing, but most Chinese kids didn’t take it seriously. It took some populism combined with nationalism from Xi to really turn things around.

My time in China doesn't go back that far, but it certainly feels different from when I first went there. Guangdong used to feel pretty chill about that stuff, probably a combination of HK-Proximity and the Emperor-is-Far/Mountains-are-high attitude. Nowadays, you can't drive anywhere without seeing Xi's 12 fucking thoughts plastered everywhere. Even Hua Qiang Bei has speakers blasting out propaganda.

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Post by pertymcpert »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #108
adventured wrote: post #90

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> Do you think Americans are going to hate their country after reading about ... Yes, this commonly occurs in fact. Americans trash their own country aggressively, routinely all over social media, for its flaws and past mistakes. See: Twitter, Reddit or Imgur comments every day of the week. We pay sports athletes and celebrities tens of millions of dollars and they regularly trash the US for its flaws and past mistak…

A small minority of Americans do that and when talking about large populations, it goes without saying that we’re not talking about population distributions in an absolutist sense.

No not a small minority.

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Post by SamReidHughes »

filoleg wrote: post #128
SamReidHughes wrote: post #108

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A small minority of Americans do that and when talking about large populations, it goes without saying that we’re not talking about population distributions in an absolutist sense.

It isn't about how many people do that, it is about how many people can do that publicly without any repercussions towards them from the state. And I would say, in the US that proportion comes to around "pretty much all of them".

Actually that is not what this conversation is about.

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Post by moggie2 »

Those violence is indeed not acceptable. However, proclaiming all pro-Chinese students behave / think the same way is also too subjective or even racist in some extreme cases.

If the Chinese students have a different opinion, they should do the same thing as the HK students. They can also start a petition / protest to against violence riot in their Country.

Free speech is not only available to HK students but to Chinese students in Australia too. The principal of free speech is not just speaking out loud without any responsibility, it's about mutual respect.

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Post by moggie2 »

Those violence is indeed not acceptable. However, proclaiming all pro-Chinese students behave / think the same way is also too subjective or even racist in some extreme cases.

If the Chinese students have a different opinion, they should do the same thing as the HK students. They can also start a petition / protest to against violence riot in their Country.

Free speech is not only available to HK students but to Chinese students in Australia too. The principal of free speech is not just speaking out loud without any responsibility, it's about mutual respect.

A side note is that although you may feel insecure / anxious about being monitored, it is not necessary the fact without any evidences. As a free country, anyone can feel whatever they feel like. With the same theory as one of the HK student, others with opposite opinion can feel that they will be assaulted in HK given the violent riot situation in HK too. If that is the case, free speech is not being taken away by the Chinese government but by the rioters themselves.

If the Chinese student assault HK student, he should be put under the justice system. If HK police is using excess force, they should be put under justice system. If HK rioters broke the law, they should be put under justice system. Denial should never be excuses for act of violence.

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #32
psychometry wrote: post #5

Haven't these pro-Beijing students ever tried to access uncensored information online that was denied to them until they arrived in their host countries? Why are they content to continue believe in the propaganda? You'd think that even a casual search for a subject like Tiananmen Square would be a wake-up call.

Do you think Americans are going to hate their country after reading about MKUltra? How about solitary confinement? WMDs in Iraq?

Reading about American atrocities doesn't make me hate my country, it makes me want my country to do better.

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Post by yfzhou »

psychometry wrote: post #5

Haven't these pro-Beijing students ever tried to access uncensored information online that was denied to them until they arrived in their host countries? Why are they content to continue believe in the propaganda? You'd think that even a casual search for a subject like Tiananmen Square would be a wake-up call.

Quite on the contrary, Chinese students usually become way more nationalistic after being abroad and having seen for themselves that the western, developed, free and democratic countries aren't that much better after all.

Those who have never lived in the west can't draw comparisons from their own experience so they tend to be more skeptical of Chinese government and fantasize about the west.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-many-Chinese-become-much-more-n...

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Post by seemack »

xmly wrote: post #129
seemack wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you show me where someone said that the counter-protesters broke the law by "speaking louder in public places"? This is entirely about the counter-protestors violently attacking the protestors.

If you have evidence, call Australia polices. I believe in Australia polices and the judicial system. If you do not have evidence, it is just your speculation. If you do not believe the fairness of Australia polices, protest against them.

I'm afraid I don't understand your response.

Your initial message ended with "Speaking louder in public place is not breaking any LAW." This indicates that you were responding to some claim that the counter-protesters had broken a law by being louder in public. I haven't seen any claims resembling that so I'm curious to see where you did.

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Post by rotred »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #73
SamReidHughes wrote: post #68

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So what? I’m talking about why anybody would expect a Chinese student to change their attitude because of 6/4. Your response and the others here have nothing to do with that.

> I’m talking about why anybody would expect a Chinese student to change their attitude because of 6/4 I wouldn’t, but that’s because of something deeper than anything we experience in America or Australia. Consider pre-Snowden public opinions on mass surveillance. The public didn’t know and didn’t believe. Once the information came out, however, people believed. Some actions were taken, and on many fronts activism g…

> I wouldn’t, but that’s because of something deeper than anything we experience in America or Australia.

I'm sick of this holier than thou attitude that people have here. There's this patronizing attitude that if only the brain washed Chinese knew what was really happening they would rise up! Yet you know about the Nayirah testimony, MKUltra, Snowden, Cambridge Analytica, migrant camps... why aren't you out protesting, storming congress, why isn't Bush in prison, why isn't Trump impeached? It's not a "small minority"; it's the majority. Most Americans don't care enough to find out and if they did they wouldn't care enough to do anything.

I'd argue that the propaganda is much deeper and subtle in the West. The media is a oligarchy yet it's still "independent" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWLjYJ4BzvI You believe are the good guys despite history despite everything.

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