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Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

#81

This infuriates me. Intimidation and hostile attitude towards people protesting in a different country is an act of barbarianism and should be condemned internationally. In fact, the way to combat this is to further enrage, fearlessly protest the PRC patriotic machine and "poke" the hornet's nest so to speak. I've taken the pledge to never visit China and avoid Chinese goods because of shit like this. The PRC has a s…

>avoid Chinese goods because of shit like this.

Wie bitte???

This hurts you far more than it does China. Use systemic, not individual, actions instead (insofar as you can). Vote for political admins likely to respond to Chinese human rights violations, support protest movements, etc.

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#82

Haven't these pro-Beijing students ever tried to access uncensored information online that was denied to them until they arrived in their host countries? Why are they content to continue believe in the propaganda? You'd think that even a casual search for a subject like Tiananmen Square would be a wake-up call.

Do you think Americans are going to hate their country after reading about MKUltra? How about solitary confinement? WMDs in Iraq?

No, but Americans do seem intent on labeling any modern day version of MKUltra to be a conspiracy theory only an idiot would believe. That might be worse than just censoring it.

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#84
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The violent pro China protestors should be kicked out of Australia. If you violently push your pro authoritarian views in your democratic host country, they have every right to kick you out.

Hot take: or maybe they should be charged with some kind of assault and tried according to the Australian laws? But no, you're right, let's get the pitchforks and torches and have them all 'git out of our 'country!

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Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

#85

Haven't these pro-Beijing students ever tried to access uncensored information online that was denied to them until they arrived in their host countries? Why are they content to continue believe in the propaganda? You'd think that even a casual search for a subject like Tiananmen Square would be a wake-up call.

The Hong Kong residents hasn’t really done themselves any favours and won the hearts and minds of the mainlanders. They’ve always been viewed as snobbish and generally hold mainlanders in low regard. It doesn’t help that Hong Kong media makes a big fuss about how uneducated mainlanders are whenever some mother lets her child urinate or defecate on public transport.

Most mainlanders still insist that Taiwan is a part of China and Hong Kong’s protests is just some political unrest stirred up by Western countries to cause trouble.

Coupled with a lifetime of brainwashing and propaganda (their primary school textbooks have dedicated sections where the students recite their love for their country and the communist party), I am not surprised at this at all.

Most still justify Tiananmen Square as something that had to be done to preserve the stability of the country. Secondly, they see any Western criticism as third parties commenting on an internal China political issue, of which they have no right to.

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#87

Haven't these pro-Beijing students ever tried to access uncensored information online that was denied to them until they arrived in their host countries? Why are they content to continue believe in the propaganda? You'd think that even a casual search for a subject like Tiananmen Square would be a wake-up call.

> Haven't these pro-Beijing students ever tried to access uncensored information online that was denied to them until they arrived in their host countries

Most (flat earthers/birthers/anti-vaxxers/people who believe all sorts of nonsense) have had access to uncensored information online for years.

They continue to believe the various crazy things that they believe.

Why do you think political opinions should be any different?

Shit, there's no shortage of people who, despite being willing to acquiesce to the factual truth of a statement, will actively choose to disregard it. They'll do it because the statement is incompatible with their political affiliation, because the statement was uttered by a foreigner who should be minding their own business, because the person who uttered it has the 'wrong' political affiliation or religion or class or skin color or background or profession.

This sort of tribalism is incredibly normal, and you don't need to travel abroad to find it.

I'm deeply concerned by the lack of introspection of anyone painting this as a problem unique to citizens of mainland China.

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

#88
While the humanities departments decry the evils of colonialism, admissions departments never met a rich foreigner they didn't like. Same dynamic for Hollywood.

I guess they are all being somewhat consistent here, since it probably doesn't count as colonialism-proper when the indigenous peoples happen to be Anglo.

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

#89
post #26

The violent pro China protestors should be kicked out of Australia. If you violently push your pro authoritarian views in your democratic host country, they have every right to kick you out.

Hot take: or maybe they should be charged with some kind of assault and tried according to the Australian laws? But no, you're right, let's get the pitchforks and torches and have them all 'git out of our 'country!

Maybe don't jump straight toward someone being a nationalistic bigot right away. Due process should be followed, but pushing anti-democratic views is quite literally a reason to have your visa cancelled in Australia, even if no other crimes have occurred. If a crime is also committed, then maybe they should spend some time in jail before removal. However, considering that it doesn't look like the violence was particularly grievous (bruised ribs and a chipped tooth seem to be the worst of it), placing them in jail is probably just an extra burden on the penal system before they would be removed anyway.

"Not be disruptive" is a very common visa condition, and promoting violence, threatening harm, or interrupting the operation of the Australian community (which a university is a part of) is grounds to have your visa cancelled. Considering that some physical altercations also took place should make the vase very solid.

Check the student visa (subclass 500) conditions here: https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/already-have-a-visa/ch...

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

#90

Haven't these pro-Beijing students ever tried to access uncensored information online that was denied to them until they arrived in their host countries? Why are they content to continue believe in the propaganda? You'd think that even a casual search for a subject like Tiananmen Square would be a wake-up call.

Do you think Americans are going to hate their country after reading about MKUltra? How about solitary confinement? WMDs in Iraq?

> Do you think Americans are going to hate their country after reading about ...

Yes, this commonly occurs in fact. Americans trash their own country aggressively, routinely all over social media, for its flaws and past mistakes. See: Twitter, Reddit or Imgur comments every day of the week.

We pay sports athletes and celebrities tens of millions of dollars and they regularly trash the US for its flaws and past mistakes. They do so all over social media, routinely, and with few repercussions (essentially none from the government, and few from social blowback).

How many famous millionaire Hollywood celebrities would you like me to quote - eg from their tweets - saying they somehow hate the US or wish to leave?

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