This is one of the reasons I don't use chrome. Google tracks which search links I click on any browser but I assume they simply track everything else done with Chrome.
Edge sends full URLs of pages visited to Microsoft
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Re: Edge sends full URLs of pages visited to Microsoft
#132Re: Edge sends full URLs of pages visited to Microsoft
#133Is there even a "pure" browser anymore? By that, I mean one which by default will do this: if I enter a URL in the address bar, it will fetch that page and its associated resources. If I click a link on a page, it will fetch its destination (this is obviously a simplified view, ignoring things like JS on the page etc.) No other network activity, no "recommendations", no other attempts to be "smart" or "helping" by do…
Brave?
Did you even read what he wanted? Brave is a crytocurrency wallet and advertising platform that just happens to be able to browse the web.
Re: Edge sends full URLs of pages visited to Microsoft
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Assuming you're on a machine with curl or wget installed. I haven't used Windows in 20 years, but I don't believe it comes with either one by default.
Invoke-WebRequest, aliased as iwr, shipped in Windows as part of PowerShell for 6 years, will do it with no browser.
As of some recent Windows 10 build (edit: 1803 or insider 17063+), curl.exe (need to specify full executable name not just "curl", which is aliased to Invoke-WebRequest by default) is shipped by default as well. I believe it came around the same time as OpenSSH. You'll also find a tar.exe binary.
Re: Edge sends full URLs of pages visited to Microsoft
#135Eric Lawrence (PM on Edge, previously on Chrome, previously author of fiddler) showing screenshots of documentation that explains all that, and saying it's been documented this way for 14 years: https://twitter.com/ericlaw/status/1152933704198758401
(Also on the IE team before leaving to work full-time on Fiddler. Pretty sure he was on the IE team 14 years ago.)
Re: Edge sends full URLs of pages visited to Microsoft
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surf [0] does that. "It is able to display websites and follow links." [0]: https://surf.suckless.org/
dillo is my weapon of choice
Dillo has all the modern-web functionality of lynx, all the keyboard-driven capacity of Safari, and all the UI/UX appeal of an abandoned brutalist shopping mall.
Sure is fast though.
Other than quick site previews, I rarely use it.
Re: Edge sends full URLs of pages visited to Microsoft
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Ordinary users don't know what a URL even is. But they do assume every site they visit isn't being logged by Microsoft, much like they assume their car's manufacturer isn't recording the places they drive to using GPS. "Users don't care" is such an intellectually dishonest argument when users aren't technical enough to understand the subject.
[citation needed] Most users probably don't assume anything, it doesn't even enter the lists of concerns or cares they have or ever would. It's not that they don't understand the subject, they simply do not give a crap one way or the other. Random family in the US or elsewhere simply does not give a crap about things like this, no matter how much you want them to. It's not ignorance, and the most intellectually disho…
I disagree in many ways. If someone knew exactly what type of information can be infered based on the information collected and all the many ways it can be used against them they would care.
Let's say they knew Microsoft can share this information with third parties which might affect their credit worthiness,employability and other very real and immediate aspects of their lives? Let us say the quality and availability of goods and services might change if MS or a third party used this information against them? What if MS can use ML to infer very personal and private aspects of their lives?
By your logic 4th amendment search and seizure restrictions don't matter either because most people assume the government can search them anyways.
There is a reason you have the right to legal representation when accused before the law, you don't understand the law well enough to answer questions and argue on your own. Tech isn't that different, people don't understand it well enough without relying on factual opinions of professionals in the field.
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Maybe we should differentiate "users understand and don't care" against "users don't understand and don't care". On one hand, a TOS usually describes privacy implications. On the other hand, there's no accountability that a user has understood or even read the TOS. Is it unreasonable to assume people will read the fine print?
> Is it unreasonable to assume people will read the fine print? Unequivocally, yes. Even if someone hypothetically had enough time to read every TOS they've agreed to I would venture to guess the average user wouldn't be able to comprehend most of the terms[1] anyway. Disclosure documents are written by lawyers (corporate CYA) for lawyers (regulators, plaintiff's counsel, judges). The law, however, disagrees with me…
Delegating privacy rights feels like delegating monetary rights. As in, negotiating contracts for payments. This is coming from the perspective of a simple person trying to understand this complexity. Anytime I sign complex and impactful contracts, it's usually done in person with physical paper and a general understanding between both parties. An online agreement feels like scam artist's work, only after we've realized the value of our personal data. Maybe we're giving too much away at the notice of typed words? We're essentially giving away resource because we didn't realize the importance of it.
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When I removed the "mobile" it looks exactly the same. I guess there is no non-mobile version of Twitter anymore.
There’s a super-fast, no bullshit, mobile-friendly, absolutely wonderful version of twitter you can get if you disable javascript... (i’ve only used it through tor tho)
I'm not sure about "super-fast" since, every time I visit twitter w/o JavaScript, I'm forced to click thru the message:
We've detected that JavaScript is disabled in your browser. Would you like to proceed to legacy Twitter?
And this annoyance persists. Click on a twitter link within the twitter website and you get the message again. And again. It's definitely a dark pattern meant to annoy you into enabling JavaScript.
Re: Edge sends full URLs of pages visited to Microsoft
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ordinary users don't know what a URL even is. But they do assume every site they visit isn't being logged by Microsoft, much like they assume their car's manufacturer isn't recording the places they drive to using GPS. "Users don't care" is such an intellectually dishonest argument when users aren't technical enough to understand the subject.
[citation needed] Most users probably don't assume anything, it doesn't even enter the lists of concerns or cares they have or ever would. It's not that they don't understand the subject, they simply do not give a crap one way or the other. Random family in the US or elsewhere simply does not give a crap about things like this, no matter how much you want them to. It's not ignorance, and the most intellectually disho…
You are completely wrong, in my experience. I just recently had a chat with my 80 year old mum, and SHE was shocked and unhappy to find that google tracks her search history, let alone everything else.
I found myself in the unexpected position of trying to explain why (IMO) it was ok and not a big deal that they did that. I dont know whether I convinced her.
People assume they have privacy when they are alone. Its that simple.
IMO its not ok for any company to change that basic private-when-alone without a very simple, very clear explanation.