33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured • Hacker News Board

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by gamblor956 » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 2:42 PM UTC

m0llusk wrote: post #41

devilmoon wrote: post #28

Apparently the motivation for the attack was that "KyoAni has stolen something from the attacker", unconfirmed reports that the something in question was a Light Novel the attacker wrote but got rejected by KyoAni, which apparently then got turned into an original work by the studio (possibly stealing here and there from the LN or anyhow drawing inspiration from it) without crediting the attacker or compensating him.…

Intellectual property issues once again. People think they own ideas and glorify themselves as originators. In reality once an idea is communicated it is free. All people can really do is add value to an idea by promoting it, framing it, demonstrating it, aiding in its application, and so on. Yet here intellectual property has scaled beyond mere value into critical relevance and even a person's identity itself. An in…

Hollywood deals with this by giving the originators of ideas story credit. There are fairly detailed rules about how much of the final product needs to derive from their contributions to the final product for the credit to apply.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by DINKDINK » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 2:46 PM UTC

Maybe it's denial stage but something doesn't add up about 25/"33" dead[1]. Is it possible that there's something being lost in translation? EFL People often mistake casualty to mean a death/mortality when it's also used as (deaths+injuries). I could see that easily being mistranslated by an ESL person as deaths.

[1]Seems to be corroborated by: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/07/18/national/dozens...

GoFundMe page for charity: https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-kyoani-heal

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by eden_hazard » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 2:49 PM UTC

fisherwithac wrote: post #26

For those who are able to and want to help, there's a GoFundMe campaign right now to help the studio recover [0]. There isn't much of an explanation of what the money will go towards, but it's better than doing nothing IMO. I'm not a huge consumer of anime/manga, but some of my favorites (namely, Nichijou and Full Metal Panic) have come from this studio. I'm also aware that the industry as a whole is considered to be…

Wow, more than half million. This is amazing! I hope the victims family gets the money.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by knolax » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 2:51 PM UTC

Retric wrote: post #92

freddie_mercury wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems a weird argument to be making. You can't even pay them directly to get the Japanese version, you need a Shonen Jump subscription, but you want them to offer it for English speakers? Relying on foreign distributors, especially when you need to translate, seems to make perfect sense to me. Should Oda provide translations into English, French, German, Korean, Chinese, and Vietnamese? All of those are part of the "…

~1.5 billion or ~20% of the world’s population speak English. They also tend to be better off financially than the global average. Written Chinese is a very large market and likely a good investment, though a significant percentage of the well off also speak English or Japanese. After that it’s more questionable. Translation is not cheap, but US films are often translated for smaller markets.

Of those 1.5 Billion, how many speak it well enough to prefer to watch anime in it? I "speak" Spanish but I would never watch anime in Spanish because the cost of trying to comprehend translated Spanish is already too high for me to do it for casual entertainment.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by pmlnr » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 2:52 PM UTC

Razengan wrote: post #123

pmlnr wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are boatloads of people out there who idolize Japan for peacefulness and never actually read about reality there. I'm just simply tired of the "ah, but Japan" attitude. BTW, in my opinion, Japan is ~20years "ahead" of socilogical problems of the West - such as extreme isolation of elderly, young glued to the screens not even leaving a flats because everything can be done online, etc - mostly because their 80s h…

> BTW, in my opinion, Japan is ~20years "ahead" of socilogical problems of the West - such as extreme isolation of elderly, young glued to the screens not even leaving a flats because everything can be done online, etc Both of those examples highlight issues with human social constructs being incompatible with human technology and progress, globally, not just in Japan.

Who said just Japan? I only mentioned they are experiencing them ahead of the rest of us.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by Kaiyou » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 2:53 PM UTC

mrpara wrote: post #128

Kaiyou wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

KyoAni drastically changed around 2010, after the success of K-On. They also weren't involved in the last season of Full Metal Panic (2017). What they are now famous for are slice-of-life shows with lots of implied homosexuality, both girl-girl and boy-boy.

I don't think that's accurate to say, really. There's definitely some shows with gay undertones, but the vast majority of their post-2010 catalogue has either no romance or heterosexual romance (Hyouka, Chuunibyou, Tamako Market, Amaburi, Koe no Katachi, the Hibike film, Kyoukai no Kanata, VEG, and so on). Slice-of-life is pretty accurate, though. I don't think it's fair to say that they've changed drastically, eithe…

The shows that got them famous have implied homosexuality. They also made other stuff, but Hyouka isn't exactly the first thing people think of when talking about KyoAni. Also, Hibike definitely falls into the implied homosexuality category. I've got a friend who only watches it for this reason.

It's true that you can trace their change further back, but at least they did Haruhi until 2010. Since then they completely divorced with their previous fanbase, though. The people liking FMP and Haruhi, who gave them traction in their early years and who were disappointed by KyoAni favoring other types of anime, instead.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by pmoriarty » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 2:54 PM UTC

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #61

goldenkey wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It totally is a question of perception and philosophy. Death is literally a part of life. We all die. The value of life is what you make of it. The fact that this arsonist got roasted himself shows his perspective on the idea of "precious bodies" in general. He was wronged, palgiarized, steamrolled by an idomitable corporation and had no recourse. Je expressed in through corporeal action. You may disagree with the mo…

The people dead did not choose to die. They were killed by someone. And that person killed people and intended to kill people. By our society's definition, this person is mentally ill- they are ill because they have decided to kill people when their own life is not in imminent danger. If one's morals justifies one to kill when one's own life or others' lives are not in danger, then they are mentally ill by our societ…

"The people dead did not choose to die. They were killed by someone. And that person killed people and intended to kill people. By our society's definition, this person is mentally ill- they are ill because they have decided to kill people when their own life is not in imminent danger."

I guess all those soldiers who invaded Iraq, for example, were mentally ill, as were the politicians who ordered them to. As were all those involved in the many other invasions of other countries when they themselves weren't in any imminent danger.

Same goes for guards who shoot to kill escaping prisoners and police who shoot to kill people to keep them from killing others while their own lives are not in danger. Then there are executioners who legally kill people sentenced to death by a court of law. All of these people must be mentally ill, by your definition.

You should distinguish your definition from society's definition, because by society's definition all of these people are not mentally ill. In fact, society often rewards them with honors and praise, calling them heroes or at least paying them for their work and legally protecting them from prosecution for the killing they do. The suggestion to lock up such people in mental institutions because they're "mentally ill" would be considered laughable, insulting, and not worthy of serious consideration by the vast majority of society.

All of this is not to say that any of the above are morally equivalent to the killings that were perpetrated in this tragedy, nor is this to claim that the perpetrator is not mentally ill (it's for psychologists to decide that), but if the perpetrator is mentally ill then they can't be branded as such merely because they "killed people and intended to kill people.. when their own life is not in imminent danger" without also branding as mentally ill all those mentioned above.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by pvaldes » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 2:55 PM UTC

A Pony bottle could fit under any worktable or coin and would provide pure air for five minutes or so, probably enough to avoid the toxic fumes in the stairs trap, or to alleviate the poisoning at least, and maybe to save two or three lifes if shared. Most people can stop breathing for another minute if avoid the need to cough (the dive mask regulator atached to the bottle will help)

Price around $170, oxygen portable cans are smaller and cheaper, around $50.

With people so disciplined and educated as japanese, a shared standard scuba dive bottle could had saved most of this people until reaching a safe vented place. The dismayed people could had been dragged outside also by the other.

The problem is that a scuba bottle could explode after catching fire unatended, but in a vicious fire the building will be damaged in any case and people goes first.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by galangalalgol » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 2:57 PM UTC

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #61

goldenkey wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It totally is a question of perception and philosophy. Death is literally a part of life. We all die. The value of life is what you make of it. The fact that this arsonist got roasted himself shows his perspective on the idea of "precious bodies" in general. He was wronged, palgiarized, steamrolled by an idomitable corporation and had no recourse. Je expressed in through corporeal action. You may disagree with the mo…

The people dead did not choose to die. They were killed by someone. And that person killed people and intended to kill people. By our society's definition, this person is mentally ill- they are ill because they have decided to kill people when their own life is not in imminent danger. If one's morals justifies one to kill when one's own life or others' lives are not in danger, then they are mentally ill by our societ…

I think you are right about the gp's motivation, but it's really semantics. I would have called the guy selfish, cruel, maybe evil even, but probably not a sociopath or insane. Most murderers are not sociopaths. But when scared or angry empathy is impacted in even normal people. If that anger does not dissipate over time either due to repeated offense or reminders of an offense, an otherwise rational individual can have their empathy suppressed long enough to plan something like this.

Re: 33 dead after arson attack at Kyoto Animation studio, dozens injured

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Post by drcode » Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 2:58 PM UTC

lqet wrote: post #17

userbinator wrote: post #16

At all the places I've worked at, a stranger would not have made it far past the front entrance without being stopped by security, or even been able to enter the building at all (access cards, etc.) Maybe it's a cultural difference, or does the tech industry just have a much higher concern for securing offices?

At all the places I've worked at (Germany), a stranger could basically just walk in, take the stairs / the elevator and enter the office. No locked doors, no security, nothing. Often left my keys, smartphone or wallet on the table when going to lunch. Never had any problems whatsoever. It's not a cultural difference, but a question of company size.

My dad was an small-time advertising exec in Germany during the "Mad Men" era... being able to make unannounced visits to senior offices (with a ton of charm to pull it off) was a central part of his strategy for acquiring new customers.