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Tesla employees say they took shortcuts, worked through harsh conditions

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Re: Tesla employees say they took shortcuts, worked through harsh conditions

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I do not know about cars but using electrical tape on aircraft is absolutely not allowed. Unlike in most electronics vehicles deal with vibration, improper wire routing will cause chafing against any surface it touches over time causing exposed wires and shorts in the best case. Zip ties are obviously not allowed because they would cause chafing themselves, electrical tape will likely come come undone after some year…

I know the internet really loves muh aerospace standards but there's reasons vehicles that travel in two dimensions don't need to abide by those standards. It would be prohibitively expensive and overkill most of the time. There's tons of stuff that isn't allowed on aircraft and a lot of it traces back to being able to verify/inspect what was done and allowing a chain of custody so problems can be traced to the sourc…

> It would be prohibitively expensive and overkill most of the time.

I don't think purchasing a spool of spot tie costs much more than electrical tape and neither does heat shrink.

> Zip ties are mostly not allowed for QC reasons.

Collateral duty inspectors (and QA) ensure quality work so this is not the case. All work done is always inspected by someone who is an expert and did not participate in the maintenance.

> All but the worst electrical tape will take 20+yr to come apart

I have seen electrical tape come apart in just a few years.

> if things fall apart in the air it's a bigger deal.

If an autopilot system receives incorrect input it could kill someone.

As an aside, I've worked on military aircraft (Avionics), and I have seen what happens when a wire is loose and in contact with a vibrating surface.

That said, again, I have no experience with cars.

Re: Tesla employees say they took shortcuts, worked through harsh conditions

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Source? I've had this happen to me once, but it was due to a battery fault (in the 12V battery amusingly, not the main battery that powers the car) stemming from some arse in a Jeep that hit me the week prior. Tesla sent a "ranger" out who fixed it in my garage in a few hours. Try that with your toyota!

Use Google there are too many first hand accounts on Reddit and Twitter to source here. Talk to people who own Teslas and they will bitch about their experience. Tesla annoys their customers constantly with things like: inaccurate battery charge indicators, no support for CarPlay or Android Auto, updates breaking functionality in their cars, promises for self driving which never materialize, and much more. I am sure…

If Tesla is making such shitty cars, how do you explain why more and more people are buying them?

Re: Tesla employees say they took shortcuts, worked through harsh conditions

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"real" car companies are not without their own scandals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_contro... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto#Fuel_system_fires,_...

I don’t see anything in there about tents, though.

Okay then, what's the problem with tents ?

By your analogy, the Bigelow iss module is a tent... Yet it went and survived if f... space !

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Tesla's are inherently very safe because they have such a large frontal crumple zone with no engine and the floor is a solid battery which helps with side collisions. https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/04/watch-how-tesla-model-3-ea...

Are the safest though? I know that there are ICE cars witht eh engine at the back, and there are cars that are very safe in crash tests. So your answer is not responding at my questions, I know there are probably cars that are for sure less safe then Tesla

Go to the ncap website and find out, then... That is if you're really interested by it

Re: Tesla employees say they took shortcuts, worked through harsh conditions

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What I find interesting is how vigorously Tesla denies everything, always, even when they're clearly wrong. They lose a lot of credibility that way; I wonder if Musk[1] realises that if he admitted the things Tesla is obviously doing wrong, he might have a hope of convincing people about the ones they're not obviously doing wrong? And it's especially odd because so much of the article is just a bunch of nothing , but…

"The most fundamental difference is thinking about the factory really as a product, as a quite vertically integrated product," said Musk. "It's treating it as more of an engineering and a technical problem as well," added Chief Technical Officer J.B. Straubel. "Which is the Toyota Production System," replied Johnson. "Yeah, we don't think so," countered Musk.

What purpose does selectively quoting an article serve? I don't see the point (if any) you're making here.

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Teslas do have poor reliability: https://www.consumerreports.org/media-room/press-releases/20... And Tesla has cut corners with engineering decisions: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows... Musk wants Tesla to out-Toyota Toyota, but it hasn't yet and probably won't: https://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2018/02/16/tesla-th... https://www.thedrive.com/tech/26955/inside-toyotas-takaoka-2...…

From that link: Model 3 sedan has “Average” predicted reliability based on owner feedback. That’s not great, but also not poor reliability. Their high end models do seem to be having issues, but the reliability standards for cars are extremely high these days.

The bumpers were literally falling off of Tesla Model 3s: https://jalopnik.com/bumper-falls-off-brand-new-tesla-model-...

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The temperatures you listed are close to freezing (sometimes below freezing). Are you sure working in a tent at those temps is "pleasant"? The chances of the tent providing the same levels of climate control as the factory building are close to none which is why workers had to use the radiators against company policy. And the policy makes sense given the clear danger of a fire.

> The temperatures you listed are close to freezing (sometimes below freezing). None of the temperatures listed were close to or below freezing. Freezing is 32 degrees Fahrenheit, the lowest temperature I mentioned was 42F which is 10 degrees above freezing. > Are you sure working in a tent at those temps is "pleasant"? I listed the min and max temperatures as well as the the average min and max temperatures for a re…

> In Fremont [...] the temperature typically varies from 43°F to 82°F and is rarely below 35°F or above 92°F.

From the link I posted below. Rarely below 35F (~1.5C) is still pretty damn cold. Would you want your workplace to be "just about freezing" once in a while? What I mean is I'm pretty sure Tesla's statements are the regular PR thing any company in their position would put out, they just exaggerated a bit with "they actually insist on it". Maybe they took an existing example and didn't mind implying it's a general thing.

Re: Tesla employees say they took shortcuts, worked through harsh conditions

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musk slept on the floor of the factory... Safety issues with giant pieces of metal going down the road aside (though it is paramount!), at least the leader struggled with his underlings.

I'd be very surprised if he slept on the factory floor more than once. For a guy who "works" 100 hours a week he does post a lot on Twitter.

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> All automakers get scrutinized by someone. Citation needed. I've never seen a story this thin (one photo of tape holding down a nonstructural plastic housing) run about another manufacturer. You have a counterexample?

In the thread above CNBC got accused of a hidden agenda against Tesla, because their reporting is critical. These are the headlines for Toyota (Google with "site:cnbc.com toyota"): * Toyota plans to recall 1 million hybrid models over wiring issue * Toyota recalls 70,000 vehicles to replace air bag inflators - CNBC.com * Toyota operating profit growth to drop this year on revenue slip * Toyota is making high-performa…

1. A recall, which is a real business event with a big price tag.

2. Another recall

3. Corporate accounting announcement.

4. Product announcement.

5. Product analysis.

6. Product announcement.

7. Product review.

8. A third recall.

Those all seem awfully newsworthy to me. And they're sourced well, with citations going all the way up the corporate ladder.

How exactly do you argue that these are journalistically equivalent to "here's a picture of tape"?

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