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Tesla employees say they took shortcuts, worked through harsh conditions

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Re: Tesla employees say they took shortcuts, worked through harsh conditions

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As someone who works in manufacturing, I can't count the number of times I've been told to "just make it work". And, in reality, sometimes that truly is the best option in the immediate term to get a system working so you can make enhancements later. But I think that's the operative phrase: so you can enhance later. The challenge is that once the immediate fire is out, it's easy to simply leave things in a half-baked…

Normalization of deviance: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19770562

Re: Tesla employees say they took shortcuts, worked through harsh conditions

#102
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What else do you expect from a company where an investor retconned himself into being a founder, including in the Wikipedia entry?

The Wikipedia "Tesla, Inc." and "History of Tesla, Inc." pages both say explicitly that the company was founded in July 2003 by two other people and that Musk joined in February 2004. Is that wrong? If not, what retconning do you see on Wikipedia?

Yeah, I’m not seeing that in the history of the page either. I didn’t do an exhaustive study, but all the versions I see say that Musk joined after Tesla’s inception.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tesla,_Inc.&actio...

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No. All automakers get scrutinized by someone. What's telling is your overreaction to it.

> All automakers get scrutinized by someone. Citation needed. I've never seen a story this thin (one photo of tape holding down a nonstructural plastic housing) run about another manufacturer. You have a counterexample?

In the thread above CNBC got accused of a hidden agenda against Tesla, because their reporting is critical. These are the headlines for Toyota (Google with "site:cnbc.com toyota"):

* Toyota plans to recall 1 million hybrid models over wiring issue

* Toyota recalls 70,000 vehicles to replace air bag inflators - CNBC.com

* Toyota operating profit growth to drop this year on revenue slip

* Toyota is making high-performance versions of the Camry and Avalon

* Toyota struggles to save breakthrough Prius hybrid - CNBC.com

* Toyota and SoftBank are teaming up to target self-driving car services

* 2018 Toyota Land Cruiser review - CNBC.com

* Toyota recalls 2.4 million hybrids due to stalling problems - CNBC.com

Re: Tesla employees say they took shortcuts, worked through harsh conditions

#104
Genuine question that is unrelated to this but has always bothered me about Tesla.

Why does his brother, Kimbal, draw a $6million/year total comp for sitting on the board. He has zero relevant experience related to manufacturing and that salary is very high compared to the rest of the industry....this always bothered me about TSLA.

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Teslas do have poor reliability: https://www.consumerreports.org/media-room/press-releases/20... And Tesla has cut corners with engineering decisions: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows... Musk wants Tesla to out-Toyota Toyota, but it hasn't yet and probably won't: https://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2018/02/16/tesla-th... https://www.thedrive.com/tech/26955/inside-toyotas-takaoka-2...…

But Teslas also have the highest customer satisfaction: https://www.consumerreports.org/media-room/press-releases/20... Even if reliability is statistically poor there must be something about the particulars that keeps them afloat. Perhaps the non-essentials are unreliable or perhaps Tesla is able to succeed by cutting corners on things that have been traditionally important but aren't actually important to consumers…

Or perhaps they’re still so supply-constrained that they haven’t run out of fanboys. Or perhaps the car is so expensive and eco-friendly than it is more valuable as a combination Veblen good and virtue signal than as a reliable source of transportation.

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I don’t see how you get “vigorous denial” from the mild words Tesla said in its response. It’s like we didn’t read the same article. And you amp it up with “always”... is that really necessary? Your comment is adding heat and noise, not much else.

Bingo, it seems people often don't consider that these reports could be false. There's a LOT of money in shorting stocks, especially Tesla stock. Because of this it's hard to go to any tech related news site and not see an article about them being slandered. There's constantly huge campaigns going on to FUD Tesla for profit. I'm not saying that everything negative about Tesla is false, but I am in no way going to bel…

When your/Tesla/supporters response is basically "... the shorts!" as the main and salient point of the rebuttal rather than "wrong, and here's why...", it's equally hard to assume your objectivity, too.

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#107

Real car companies don't make cars in tents.

"real" car companies are not without their own scandals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_contro... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto#Fuel_system_fires,_...

I don’t see anything in there about tents, though.

Re: Tesla employees say they took shortcuts, worked through harsh conditions

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post #12

musk slept on the floor of the factory... Safety issues with giant pieces of metal going down the road aside (though it is paramount!), at least the leader struggled with his underlings.

There are people sleeping on the streets blocks away from his factories. Sleeping on the floor of his hundred million dollar factories is not proof of anything.

How does the price of the factory matter? It does not make the floor (couch or whatever he slept on) any more comfortable.

Re: Tesla employees say they took shortcuts, worked through harsh conditions

#109

>Tesla is able to build the safest and best-performing cars Am I out of date with the news? Are Tesla the safest cars? I am not a car enthusiast so I recall that Volvo has most safety features, did things change or is Tesla PR so deluded, at least I would use something like "one of the safest cars", provide some modesty,

I guess “the car slamming itself into highway barriers” is the bar for safety nowadays.

Re: Tesla employees say they took shortcuts, worked through harsh conditions

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post #12

musk slept on the floor of the factory... Safety issues with giant pieces of metal going down the road aside (though it is paramount!), at least the leader struggled with his underlings.

Well, even as he did that he was saying to the press, "Nothing unusual, everything is completely as normal."
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