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If you live in IA, MN, ND etc. (I'm sure other places, but these are the places I've lived), this story won't seem very out of the ordinary. Once when I was in college, I flew to Arizona for Thanksgiving, then back to ND on a Monday to go to class. When I got back, it was one of the worst snowstorms of the year. It was horrible. The school was closed, the roads had been closed that night, snow seemed to just be mater…

This sums up why I've had so much culture shock moving from the UK to Phoenix. People don't get it when I say that selfishness is what really hurts me here, not the heat or any of the other factors. That said, it's all of our fault. Every day, in this place, I feel myself getting a little more like everyone else here. Thanks for reminding me that I need to do better.

There are good people in Phoenix, it's just that the jerks are yelling so so loudly that sometimes it can be hard to hear them.

Out of curiosity, do you go to gangplank? Heatsync?

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I've seen that behavior here. But then, I have some beliefs that sorely challenge many HNers world views.

" I have some beliefs that sorely challenge many HNers world views." Many people come to HN precisely for that.

True, but many also can't stand to have their ideas challenged.

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I really see no excuse why people don't carry a cell phone with them in their car. It doesn't even need to be activated, all cell phones call 911 for free. I don't stop and help people because 99% of the time I see them on their cell phones.

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This sums up why I've had so much culture shock moving from the UK to Phoenix. People don't get it when I say that selfishness is what really hurts me here, not the heat or any of the other factors. That said, it's all of our fault. Every day, in this place, I feel myself getting a little more like everyone else here. Thanks for reminding me that I need to do better.

There are good people in Phoenix, it's just that the jerks are yelling so so loudly that sometimes it can be hard to hear them. Out of curiosity, do you go to gangplank? Heatsync?

Yes, there are, and I've found a bunch of them. I used to go to gangplank alot, but now I only get there about once or twice a month since I went from self-employment to normal employment.

I've not been involved in Heatsync other than to see some of the cool things they do. I was lucky enough to meet a bunch of the founding people on the day they came into Gangplank 2 to start their collaboration, though.

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

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If you live in IA, MN, ND etc. (I'm sure other places, but these are the places I've lived), this story won't seem very out of the ordinary. Once when I was in college, I flew to Arizona for Thanksgiving, then back to ND on a Monday to go to class. When I got back, it was one of the worst snowstorms of the year. It was horrible. The school was closed, the roads had been closed that night, snow seemed to just be mater…

I think it's a matter of environment. Harsh, deadly environments build communities, because without one, you'd probably die. However, if you're living someplace that doesn't regularly try to kill you, you can be much more self-reliant, and expect that from others as well.

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That's a good story but a little over the top. If the author had dispensed with the $20 bill in the tamale the suspension of belief would have been a little more effective.

I think you're getting downvoted for snarkiness (as perceived by the downvoter), but there is a point to be made by your comment. That is, how is automatic disbelief in a story like this any less arbitrary than automatic belief? It's interesting to me that the majority of users on both reddit and HN choose to believe.

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

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I'm curious--did you honestly disbelieve the story, or were you just trolling?

I really don't believe it. I'm sorry, but real life doesn't play out like that. Maybe there is a grain of truth to the story but alarm bells start ringing when the tale comes straight out of a script writers workshop. Read it again! And why does this have to be a troll post? The Internet is full of this stuff, reddit in particular (see IamA). Is it so bad to be skeptical?

The story meshes perfectly with my experience of reality.

For example, people who appear to be extremely wealthy are much less likely to be generous tippers, because most people with garish appearances are actually middle-class folk who are up to their ears in debt accrued while accumulating the trappings of their specious wealth.

The people who actually have money to spare are the ones who live within their means, whether that's tens of thousands of dollars per year, or tens of millions.

Similarly, people who seem like they have all the time in the world are actually less likely to be good samaritans, because they're caught up in the high-speed goal-oriented mental framework where every minute has a Scheduled Purpose That Must Be Fulfilled.

The people who actually have time to spare are the ones who do not over-commit themselves, and are "disconnected" in just the right ways. I don't mean disconnected technologically, because it's entirely possible to take a liesurely stroll while tinkering with a smartphone. I mean "disconnected" in the sense that they are not plugged into the country-wide network of social obligations and expectations that most of us accept without even realizing there is an alternative.

Also, from a more concrete standpoint, please consider the context in which your disbelief is thriving. This is a world where people lie to friends, business partners and loved ones for decades at a time to accumulate fraudulent wealth; where inexorable neuroses drive people to become serial rapists; where devoted hobbyists spend weeks and months of their lives to do things like catalog every instance of the "Wilhelm scream" in the history of cinema, or document the pop culture references in every episode of the Simpsons; where some privileged people are so affluent that they can spend more on a single meal than an entire family of third-world country residents spend in an entire year of living expenses. In this world, men can survive in the vacuum of outerspace, where there is literally nothing. Men can survive in the depths of the ocean, where the exponential weight of the ocean creates enough pressure to crush steel.

We live in a world of absurd extremes, pernicious and healthy. Viewed through this lens, is the OP story really so unbelievable? If Buddhist monks can forgive oppressors who murdered their friends and loved ones, is it really that improbable that some worldly Mexicans stopped to help a down-on-his-luck white guy because they had a jack and tire iron in the van?

Really?

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

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This story is touching. If you want to do something worthwhile today, take a second and call your Senator and tell them to support the dream act. It's a big issue for all immigrants, not just Mexicans.

The vote is most likely this week and every call counts.

http://reformimmigrationforamerica.org/blog/make-dream-a-rea...

To tie it back to Hacker News, you'll also be using my company's technology to complete the call.

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Best thing about "No Free Lemonade" is that she yelled from the backseat of the car to the kids about fiscal responsibility. She was being fucking chauffeured.

I wouldn't call it"chauffeured" when it's her brother driving and her sister-in-law in the front seat.

She made no mention of chipping in for gas or the up-keep of the vehicle. Sounds like she enjoys the pleasures of a "free ride" as much as the kids enjoyed handing them out.

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

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Did you accomplish what you set out to do with your comment?

Seriously? What the fuck. His comment wasn't clear. Was his comment to distance the Golden Rule from Christianity? I'm having a hard time interpreting it otherwise, but that's an ignorant effort, as the "do unto others" concept predates Jesus of Nazareth by 1,000+ years. I'm still not clear on what the point of his comment was; all I did was ask for clarification, with NO commentary at all. Can you clarify his initia…

You are being downvoted because the parent comment expressed a personal belief -- that he enjoyed a particular way of expressing the concept of "Golden Rule" (from a Spanish saying) -- and you are apparently questioning his need or personal preference for any other way of expressing this fundamental human concept at all.

It really provided little to negative value to the conversation, and your profanity-laden response doesn't help your case.

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