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Re: Permafrost collapse is accelerating carbon release

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Post by petersellers » Fri, May 03, 2019, 3:13 AM UTC

baruchthescribe wrote: post #125

petersellers wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I remember when it was accepted scientific consensus that plate tectonics was a crock of shit. Didn't make it any less true. No one is saying science is infallible. It's just the best explanation for what we're seeing so far, based on empirical evidence. Your argument that science was wrong about something in the past does absolutely nothing to support any of your claims - for that you need to post evidence. >If the…

Here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236534420_Projectin... Arctic sea ice is normal and cyclical and follows both short and long term cycles.

"sea ice extent" shows up 3 times in that 400 page paper, and those phrases where it's mentioned don't support anything related to your initial claim.

Re: Permafrost collapse is accelerating carbon release

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Post by baruchthescribe » Fri, May 03, 2019, 3:53 PM UTC

richardhod wrote: post #130

baruchthescribe wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NOAA data goes back to the early 1970s. The IPCC paper can be found after a fairly trivial Google search here: https://web.archive.org/web/20120428072521/https://www.ipcc.... Good. So let's summarize: - someone who disagrees with you can be called names - you're ignorant of the history of NOAA - if you can't find something, then the other person is a fraud - but you claim they make fraudulent arguments anyway so that…

You are still cherrypicking by concentrating on these data, which are not conclusive. /so, you show me part of an in-depth paper saying that there were data before 1979 .It appears there might. However, in the paper, it says there was not much variance in sea ice significantly between the 1953 and 1984, but that 1960-80 was significantly colder anomaly period. (pp 224-5). But after that... much decline. None of what…

If you're living in the US, you could of course just look outside and notice that you've just had the coldest October-April period on record. But yeah, the Arctic is clearly melting.

Re: Permafrost collapse is accelerating carbon release

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Post by richardhod » Mon, May 06, 2019, 3:48 PM UTC

baruchthescribe wrote: post #132

richardhod wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are still cherrypicking by concentrating on these data, which are not conclusive. /so, you show me part of an in-depth paper saying that there were data before 1979 .It appears there might. However, in the paper, it says there was not much variance in sea ice significantly between the 1953 and 1984, but that 1960-80 was significantly colder anomaly period. (pp 224-5). But after that... much decline. None of what…

If you're living in the US, you could of course just look outside and notice that you've just had the coldest October-April period on record. But yeah, the Arctic is clearly melting.

Anyone reading HN should understand about variance in data sets. Given you're stooping to the level of 'It's cold at the moment, at this one data point', I cannot take your conversation seriously. You can do better, and you know it.