JetBlue has started using facial recognition instead of boarding passes

Post by bayesian_horse » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 11:01 AM UTC

reallymental wrote: post #121

bayesian_horse wrote: post #112

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So it's still not the problem that a machine can recognize you, but rather that somebody is tracking and storing such recognitions. Which is an entirely different thing. The former is a technological reality. It's impossible to legislate away devices who can do that. Tracking and storing personal data on the other hand, is very much within the reach of regulation. The GDPR for example restricts this. Even if somebody…

The machine recognizing you was the harder problem. That's the "Minority Report" stuff that people thought was in the _far far_ future that we don't have to worry about constantly. Storing and using that model across various devices is trivial. So if we've done the hard part, the easy part is _definitely_ going to be done. There's no doubt about that. States, companies that can convince the state that they somehow ne…

Post by coredog64 » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 11:02 AM UTC

chrisbolt wrote: post #57

ultrarunner wrote: post #21

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> We’ve given up so much freedom Arguably it's merely been taken from us. There are plenty of who object, and the TSA is wildly unpopular. That makes little difference to the fact that the pace continues ever further. I don't mean to be defeatist, but I don't think a sternly worded letter has ever made much of a difference, and probably won't in the future. The only caveat is that when REAL ID takes effect and entire…

> The only caveat is that when REAL ID takes effect and entire states full of people (e.g. Arizona) simply cannot fly Citation? https://www.dhs.gov/real-id shows Arizona in green.

Post by bayesian_horse » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 11:04 AM UTC

tareqak wrote: post #122

bayesian_horse wrote: post #115

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In the case of the boarding situation, there are too worst-case scenarios: One being the system doesn't recognize a valid passenger, then he does have to show his boarding pass or another passport. Worse would be accepting someone who isn't allowed to board, but such things are easily mitigated. The potential to be mistaken for a wanted criminal has always been real. Facial recognition may even be more accurate overa…

The secondary issue with the story I linked was that there was an incorrect match that was made using details of the plaintiff obtained from a stolen ID and the plaintiff’s face. The primary issue was that the plaintiff had no idea that Apple’s Face ID was being used to help law enforcement with thefts at Apple Stores. The plaintiff had no idea that this was the case (it’s even news to me). It’s this sort of surrepti…

Post by bayesian_horse » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 11:05 AM UTC

j16sdiz wrote: post #125

bayesian_horse wrote: post #101

I have to admit my naivety on this, but: What exactly is the problem here? Both the airlines and the involved law enforcement have a right or even a duty to know who you are when you are boarding the plane. They also have facial recognition data, either from a passport photo or putting a camera in front of the check-in, and arguably they have a right to that. People walk around with their faces all the time. They pos…

What if it goes wrong? We know facial recognition is not that fair. Makeups and hairstyle sometimes affect the result.. It is particular bad for dark skin color: Part of it is poor training data set. Another part of the problem is lower contrast in photo (need better lighting / extra infra-red channel).

Post by gumby » Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 11:19 AM UTC

thoughtfunction wrote: post #36

mch82 wrote: post #16

How much longer will we allow our freedoms to be eroded? People were flying without any photo ID until just a few years ago (except internationally). We’ve given up so much freedom & so much of what made air travel fun in exchange for so little. We need to stop letting people scare us into giving away our freedoms.

For many years, I remember needed a piece of photo id with my ticket to get through TSA security checkpoints. What were you able to do instead? Just give a ticket?