Americans are usually extremely lazy about this stuff. I wonder what the effects are going to be on Tourism in Europe.
It won't be a problem. It's not like Americans bring any tourist money to the EU.
US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021
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Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021
#132The article mixes two seaparate issues: - EU is introducing ETIAS, an electronic authorisation system which is pretty much modeled after the US ESTA system (used by visa-free nationals). It will apply to all countries which currently enjoy the visa-free regime with the EU and that includes USA. So, technically it is not a visa, but your details will be pre-checked and it will cost €7 (compared to $14 for US ESTA). Ir…
The thing is EU is still not a country. It’s not as easy for a Bulgarian to go live in France and claim French citizenship compared to a Californian fully moving to Texas.
California and Texas are sovereign states, and becoming a citizen of California is really just a matter of moving there. Acts and corporations of Texas are recognized as "foreign" in California. Citizens of California have to swear a loyalty oath to the state to work for it, and all able-bodied male citizens of California are members of the unorganized militia and are subject to the state code of military justice. Treason against California is punishable by death, as is treason against Texas (apart from treason against the US). Per the Tenth Amendment, the federal government has only the sovereignty granted to it by the states via the Constitution.
As a country, you can move almost anywhere in the US and have full citizenship rights. (Note that Puerto Rico, American Samoa, etc are not part of the US, and you don't get automatic rights when you move there. American Somoans are not even US citizens by birth, for example, because it's not part of the US. Palmyra Atoll and DC are the only part of the US not part of a state, and residents are not citizens of a state and don't have full US citizenship rights.)
Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021
#133It sounds like this e-visa is good for 3 years... does that mean hypothetically I could go digital nomad in Schengen Area as a US citizen?
If you conduct business or "work", you might have to get a separate visa with different terms. EU seems to be pretty strict about "work-permits". There are risks to doing such activities on a regular tourist visa.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tit for tat is a great model in pre-school. The more mature response is to investigate the underlying issues. Instead of putting your fingers in your ears and yelling “We are EU, you must treat us all the same” there could be some acknowledgement that travelers from those countries are disproportionately overstayers and there is a justifiable reason to need to more closely track them. If US travelers are overstaying…
Just a few points: - Tit-for-tat response is a geopolitical reality. Regardless whether you think it is pre-school model or not, this is what pretty much all countries do, as it is a perfectly rational way (and sometimes even the only way) to defend your interests. By rational I am talking about the Game Theory kind of rational. :) - You suggest to look at each EU country individually (just also keep in mind that the…
> Tit-for-tat response is a geopolitical reality.
It's also an evolutionarily stable strategy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionarily_stable_strategy
Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021
#135It sounds like this e-visa is good for 3 years... does that mean hypothetically I could go digital nomad in Schengen Area as a US citizen?
If you conduct business or "work", you might have to get a separate visa with different terms. EU seems to be pretty strict about "work-permits". There are risks to doing such activities on a regular tourist visa.
Wonder what the risks are.
Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
ESTA doesn't require a consular visit, right? It seems like there is a real difference here.
There is no difference. The ESTA is an e-visa for $14 and valid for two years. The ETIAS is an e-visa for €7 and valid for three years. Neither requires a consular visit, they are completed online.
For the implementors, “visa” is a 4-letter word because it would eliminate all kinds of reciprocity agreements where EU nationals get visa-free travel.
Usually they claim some loophole like you don’t need it to hitchhike/drive, just to board a commercial plane/ship/bus in.
Those flying in a private jet need not worry about such issues.
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not? the US has the death penalty, I wouldn't support the death penalty for an American in Europe. I'm not entitled to free medical care in the US, I would have no problem with an American using my health service, if needed. If it is just a tit for tat, that just makes everyone worse off. The supposed stated aims (security) seem suspect between 2 blocs that really should be able to work together.
Most countries with free healthcare systems like you describe don't officially give that benefit to visitors from the US or other countries, with certain common exceptions like travel within the EU/EEA and people with some form of long-term residence permission like a work permit. They will of course allow anyone to access the system. And often they don't charge because they don't want to deal with the paperwork. But…
But how did he pay? Did the bill assume he could pay like a local?
Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
How would they do that given US states do not have citizens or passports?
Use state of birth, if it's encoded on the passports, and if not, require a visa from everyone until state of birth is encoded on the passports. As a point of order, US states do have citizens. As a US citizen, I'm also a citizen of the state in which I reside.
You're a resident of the state in which you reside. I have never heard anyone say, for example, "I am a citizen of the state of Massachusetts".
That you can move to another state and claim residency there implies what residency is, transient, whereas citizenship is permanent.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
In that case there should be no such thing as a Croatian passport or a Polish passport. Or Croatian citizenship (etc.). Feels like there’s a fair bit of eating cake and having it too going on here.
Replace “passport” by “driving license” and things are almost equivalent: a piece of paper that pins you down a particular plot of land.
You’re not getting the point. The USA is a single country. All of its citizens are to be treated equally. And all of its foreign affairs are handled by the one federal government. The EU is a very complicated collection of many individual countries that all have their own citizens, and all represent themselves individually in foreign affairs except where it’s convenient to represent themselves as a group. Free movement in the EU doesn’t even extend to all member countries.
There is no reasonable way Japan could refuse entry to a US citizens who are suspected of residing in a state without effectively denying all US citizens because there is only one type of US citizen. (Which they are free to do, but obviously won’t.)
On the other hand residents of the EU have it in the reverse. There are 28 (?) different types of citizens, each with different passports, each from countries with different immigration departments, different foreign affairs ministers, etc.
It’s asking a lot for other countries to just blanket accept all of these types of citizens from very different countries, and more to just accept them from any new country that may be added. Turkey is a dictatorship and came damn close to being in the EU. It’s entirely feasible some member country like Hungry (to pick on one) begins to behave badly or becomes a dictatorship or starts persecuting people and the expectation is still we must accept their passports the same as a French one? Absurd. Of course not. The EU is a long way from being a single country.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s an analogy as Hawaii is one of the 50 United States. The EU Schengen zone is similar to the US as there is free travel between countries within the zone.
And even beyond that the EU states all (by EU regulation) willingly stand in for each other when it comes to their citizens in foreign countries. If you're from a big country like France or Germany, you don't notice, but if you're from a smaller country like Portugal this means when you realise your country does not even have consular facilities in the random place you're visiting, you don't worry, the French or Germ…
The difference is that U.S. passports don't distinguish which state you are a citizen of. Hawaii does not have its own representative in the United Nations. Hawaii does not have its own ambassadors and consulates. EU passports do distinguish which country you are a citizen of. Each EU country has its own representative in the U.N. and its own ambassadors and consulates [1].
Free travel is not the feature that is legally indicative of a nation.
[1] Yes, I know that EU consulates can be shared by other EU citizens. Nonetheless, legally there is no such thing as "an EU consulate" or "an ambassador from the EU" or a generic EU passport. It really is a radically different model from the EU. (The most notable difference is that countries can unilaterally withdraw from the EU without triggering a civil war within the EU. States can't.)