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Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by sabalaba »

jlg23 wrote: post #64
sabalaba wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's far from a nonsense purchase for Deep Learning professionals. At https://lambdalabs.com nearly every one of our customers is calling us up interested in the 2080Ti for Deep Learning. The reality is that very few people training neural networks need more than 11GB.

Without anything beyond claims what reality™ is, your response unfortunately just reads like an ad for your company.

"Reality", in our case, is based on conversations with a few dozen customers who use our products as well as the actively publishing researchers we know personally. The majority of sampled customers are training convnets of some fashion, the most common being Yolo/SSD and ResNet.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by sgt101 »

bitL wrote: post #48
sabalaba wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's far from a nonsense purchase for Deep Learning professionals. At https://lambdalabs.com nearly every one of our customers is calling us up interested in the 2080Ti for Deep Learning. The reality is that very few people training neural networks need more than 11GB.

Then most likely they would not be successful in their businesses; training older models or newer ones with a batch of 1 is not a recipe for success these days when you more like need 100s of GPUs running slight modifications to models in parallel to find the one that works.

We used to call this model fishing and regard models that came from places that did it with fear and suspicion (due to sudden failure and poor performance in production)

What has changed that people think this is a wise approach?

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by jasonlotito »

bitL wrote: post #61
jasonlotito wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those confused, these are about what the 10 series Founder's Editions were priced at originally. When the 10 series was released, the 9XX series was around the same price as the 10 series is now compared to 20. The price isn't going up by 70-90%. It's that the previous series (10) is going down. Does that mean the 10 series isn't worth it? By all means, no. The 9 series was still an excellent series when 10 was r…

Which 10x0 FE did cost $1200? Did I miss something?

1080 FE $699 USD 2080 FE $799 USD

That qualifies as about the same price in my book, and not a 70-90% jump.

As for the Ti price when 1080 series was released, there was none.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by TomVDB »

dragontamer wrote: post #121
ckocagil wrote: post #115

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That might not be a winning strategy if you have real competition though.

Rumor is that AMD's Navi is but a minor update next year. "Next Generation" is 2020 and beyond for AMD. So unfortunately, NVidia can bet on a lack of competition for the near future. NVidia can always drop prices when Navi comes out (if it happens to be competitive). But it seems like they're betting that Navi won't be competitive, at least with this pricing structure.

It’s very strange how AMD reveals so much of their roadmap.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by jasonlotito »

aseipp wrote: post #65
jasonlotito wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those confused, these are about what the 10 series Founder's Editions were priced at originally. When the 10 series was released, the 9XX series was around the same price as the 10 series is now compared to 20. The price isn't going up by 70-90%. It's that the previous series (10) is going down. Does that mean the 10 series isn't worth it? By all means, no. The 9 series was still an excellent series when 10 was r…

Ehhhh, not really, but the release seems a bit different this time around. The 1080 Founders Edition and 1080 Ti FE cards both debuted at $700 USD. (The 1080 Ti was released nearly a year later.) This puts it closer to the now released 2080 FE, which is $800 USD. The 2080 Ti FE, however, is in a league closer to the Titan X/Xp, which were at $1,200. Also they're releasing the highest-end Ti edition at the same time a…

> Ehhhh, not really

Ehhh, yes really.

1080 FE $699 USD 2080 FE $799 USD

That qualifies as almost the same price in my book. By and large, not a 70-90% price increase as being suggested.

Unless you want to explain how 700-800 is a 70-90% price increase?

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by Matthias247 »

mbroncano wrote: post #112
Keyframe wrote: post #74

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2080 Ti FE, 1259 Euros. All US companies follow this simple formula: $ to Euro 1:1, add 25% and then add 50-60 Euros for Free Shipping.

Prices must include VAT in Europe, which seems to account for that 20% plus you’re referring to.

But that's about covered by the difference in exchange rate.

A few years ago prices where mostly 1:1 in USD before taxes and EUR after taxes. So the situation got worse.

I think the main reason is not that anything makes selling the cards there more expensive, but simply that they try to charge more.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by gameswithgo »

gambiting wrote: post #39

The prices are absolutely insane. I was prepared to pay £599 for the 2080, but £749 for a non-Ti card is a joke. It feels to me like Nvidia knows there's no competition from AMD so they can ask for literally any price and people will pay it.

for a non ti card? that's just a name. you have a very wide array of cards, at a wide array of s prices, that can do various amounts of maths per second. pick the one you want.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by sabalaba »

bitL wrote: post #48
sabalaba wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's far from a nonsense purchase for Deep Learning professionals. At https://lambdalabs.com nearly every one of our customers is calling us up interested in the 2080Ti for Deep Learning. The reality is that very few people training neural networks need more than 11GB.

Then most likely they would not be successful in their businesses; training older models or newer ones with a batch of 1 is not a recipe for success these days when you more like need 100s of GPUs running slight modifications to models in parallel to find the one that works.

Most people I know who publish in NIPS/ICLR train their models using between 1-4 GPUs under their desk or 8 GPUs in a server. I would argue that these folks make competitive models and "are successful in their business" with only 1-8 GPUs. While having access to hundreds of GPUs helps you explore model space more quickly, it's not a hard pre-requisite to success in Deep Learning.

Re: Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more performance’ and ray-tracing

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Post by ErneX »

blihp wrote: post #129
bitL wrote: post #12

Hmm, 24%-42% performance increase (14/16TFlops vs 11.3TFlops) for 70-90% price increase... And prices were already inflated by crypto that is now collapsing. Not sure who is the target market for this tech honestly. Still only 11GB RAM, even if 50% faster, making it a nonsense purchase for Deep Learning enthusiasts (state-of-art models are already larger). Unless somebody invented RTX-based coin of course, then this…

For video professionals doing ray tracing this upgrade would likely be a must-have. This assumes the improvement (i.e. 6x or anything in that ballpark) is real and their software supports it... if so, hell, nVidia could double or triple the price of the card and it would still make sense for them. nVidia is just cashing in on a lack of any real competition at the high-end currently... hopefully we'll see AMD get back…

video professionals should use the Turing powered Quadros, these are for gamers
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