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Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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And if I wanted to message you personally with questions about it for an indefinite period of some weeks or months while I get oriented, are you okay with that? "Here, Doreen, here's my email address and my phone number. Don't hesitate to contact me. Happy to explain like you are my clueless little sister until you feel comfortable."

If you can figure out Twitter, you can definitely figure out Mastodon. They have similar levels of complexity — you're just not familiar with Mastodon's quirks yet. If you don't want to put in the effort, though, that's fine.

So the answer is no, you don't want to talk to me. I can figure it out myself. (I realize you aren't the GP, but you did choose to reply.)

I think you are thinking of Mastodon primarily as a technical platform. I am thinking of it primarily as a social environment.

When I was active on Metafilter, there was a new social platform all the members were talking about. It was invitation only. I was homeless at the time and I was generally treated pretty badly by most members there. Nonetheless, someone gave me an invitation and I joined. And it was pointless because what few people I did recognize were people with a track record of treating me terribly.

If people have little walled gardens, but are hesitant for any reason to admit me to their inner circle, then there's no there there for me.

Sure, I can figure out the technical details, if I have reason to. But I don't have sufficient connection to have reason to. Walled gardens serve an inner circle of people. I don't belong to any inner circle that are using Mastodon.

Perhaps that will change. But it won't likely change by joining Mastodon. It might change by somehow becoming an insider somewhere with a group that already uses and prefers the platform.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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I want to want to participate on Mastodon. But I feel like it's a bunch of little walled gardens and I feel like that's a barrier to entry for me. It's a bug, not a feature. I also can't figure out where to start. I don't feel that way about Twitter.

You seem to like writing. So try this instance, https://mastodon.theubergroup.org There is one writer there I follow and whose posts I enjoy: https://mastodon.theubergroup.org/@eleanor Look at who she's following to get an idea of other people you might consider interesting. Also look at the #GetOnOurLawn hashtag. You have to be logged in to an instance to search for it. EDIT: My mistake, it is possible to view hasht…

Thank you. I will give it a look.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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They had, in their own words hundreds of followers. At the time of this comment, the fediverse has about 1.2 million accounts. It's not that hard to get hundreds of followers there.

Twitter has hundreds of times more accounts. It depends on the audience, everyone's mileage may vary, so on and so forth, but as a general rule of thumb, if you're drawing from a pool that's 300x bigger, it's going to be easier to get orders of magnitude more followers. This is not Mastodon's fault; network effects are what they are. Having said that, anecdotally I find it very hard to get people outside of a relativ…

So to break things down as I think we're partially of the same view:

1. To start with the end, nobody's suggesting they're exclusively on Mastodon (which is not the only Fediverse tool, there are others), and they absolutely should syndicate far and wide. However, posting to Mastodon/Pleroma/Whatever first and syndicating the content elsewhere means that if this happens again, they don't lose tweets.

2. Drawing from a pool 300x bigger doesn't make for 300x better interactions. Generally Fediverse SNR seems to be better, but this is more or less so depending upon interest and representation. Bear in mind OP's twitter account had followers in the hundreds, like my Mastodon account does. I have thousands on twitter, but I only interact with maybe 50-100 people there.

3. WRT your friend, there's now https://joinmastodon.org/, which will guide them to an instance. Your friend is not required to use Mastodon to participate in the Fediverse. There are other tools out there. They're all linked (you can use Pleroma and read Mastodon toots for example). The whole point of the fediverse is that it isn't a walled garden and that you own your content.

4. There are tools to assist with migrating Mastodon accounts but they're early stage. I agree this sucks, but in it's defence it's because Mastodon is new and expanding and the tools are improving.

5. This was the bit I wanted to talk about:

> it's been very hard for me to discover people to follow

Yup. I completely agree. The solution however is right under your nose. The way to find people to follow in the Fediverse is:

1. Search for hashtags you're interested in.

2. Find people using those hashtags and check out their feeds.

3. Look at who they follow and check those people out.

This is how every social network pretty much used to work, and fundamentally is down to the fact that in the fediverse you own your presence, your data and your network which means you are responsible for it. There's nobody pushing for engagement, nobody making money from filling your feed with ads. The price is personal responsibility.

If you think that's too high a price to pay, that's fine. Stay in the walled garden with curated content and risk having all the content you produced for corporations for free so they could sell ads to be pushed to you and your friends erased at the drop of a hat without explanation.

And you can say it'll never work, it'll never replace twitter or facebook. But HN will never replace Reddit and Lobsters will never replace HN, yet both are doing pretty well for the communities they serve. Once you bend your head around the concept that fediverse communities as a whole have no interest in replicating Twitter or Facebook it starts to make a lot more sense.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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There's a fair bit of criticism for relying too much on Twitter in this thread, but I think the article brings up a good point: >Yes, I know. We should redecentralize and put our content on Mastodon, or the BlockChain, or some other convoluted platform which has no users. But that’s just not practical for a small project. We have limited technical resources and have to go to where the people are. Despite there being…

I want to want to participate on Mastodon. But I feel like it's a bunch of little walled gardens and I feel like that's a barrier to entry for me. It's a bug, not a feature. I also can't figure out where to start. I don't feel that way about Twitter.

I recently set up a couple of Mastodon instances - one for an interest group, and one for my family. The latter is effectively dead, but the former is slowly gaining users.

The biggest problem I've found is content discover. Mastodon works well for new users if the instance you're on has others who follow users that interest you - otherwise, silence. There is no way that I've found to search the entire multiverse, and no easy way to bootstrap an instance by connecting to other instances or other instances' users en masse.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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If you can figure out Twitter, you can definitely figure out Mastodon. They have similar levels of complexity — you're just not familiar with Mastodon's quirks yet. If you don't want to put in the effort, though, that's fine.

So the answer is no, you don't want to talk to me. I can figure it out myself. (I realize you aren't the GP, but you did choose to reply.) I think you are thinking of Mastodon primarily as a technical platform. I am thinking of it primarily as a social environment. When I was active on Metafilter, there was a new social platform all the members were talking about. It was invitation only. I was homeless at the time an…

I'll do that. Message me @lyndsysimon@mastodon.social and I'll be happy to help. Otherwise, feel free to email me: lyndsy@lyndsysimon.com.

For now, I strongly recommend that you establish an account at mastodon.social. It's the instance with the most users and therefore has the most local content to follow and the widest possible reach.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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It all makes sense when you realize that they're lying and their "automated system" is a bunch of low level contractors.

Most likely, but then I wonder, what do their 1k-5k (according to CrunchBase) employees really do? A simple spam flagging system (that’ll take care of the lowest hanging fruit aka very obvious spam) can be built even by a single engineer.

Your attitude on this entire thread has been incredibly condescending. Why don't you try and think of why these problems are hard instead of just assuming they are all easy, as you've done so far?

I challenge you try and think through why your simple spam filter and human appeals process will not scale to Twitter's size. What kind of throughput can it handle? What happens when there is more content being appealed than the review team can handle? How do you prevent attackers from maliciously flagging other users' content? How do you handle advanced threats where attackers compromise existing accounts then begin to spam, thus bypassing any "easy" checks like looking at account age? How do you classify "hateful" speech? How does it scale to foreign languages, slang, etc?

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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So the answer is no, you don't want to talk to me. I can figure it out myself. (I realize you aren't the GP, but you did choose to reply.) I think you are thinking of Mastodon primarily as a technical platform. I am thinking of it primarily as a social environment. When I was active on Metafilter, there was a new social platform all the members were talking about. It was invitation only. I was homeless at the time an…

I'll do that. Message me @lyndsysimon@mastodon.social and I'll be happy to help. Otherwise, feel free to email me: lyndsy@lyndsysimon.com. For now, I strongly recommend that you establish an account at mastodon.social. It's the instance with the most users and therefore has the most local content to follow and the widest possible reach.

Thank you.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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Hold on, I've reported multiple extraordinarily obvious spam rings before, with accounts as old as 2013, and I've even kicked up a stink here when Twitter employees show up, and I was told "bots don't violate the TOS." I just checked, it's still there https://mobile.twitter.com/ksfAKBARI check followers/following for a massive ring of obvious spam.

It took a lot of effort to get twitter to do something about the crypto spam accounts targeting elon musk. SO obvious yet none of their systems seemed to catch it.

They're doing something about it? I saw some yesterday.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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It took a lot of effort to get twitter to do something about the crypto spam accounts targeting elon musk. SO obvious yet none of their systems seemed to catch it.

They're doing something about it? I saw some yesterday.

They've definitely been a lot less common. Two months ago the first few dozen comments were all botnets saying they received the money.
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