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Can we please stop calling 38 in a 35 speeding? In many places that speed would be inpeding traffic.
In most places the driver isn’t an experimental automated vehicle. Maybe while trying new tech that can apparently fail to see a woman with LIDAR, stick to the damned speed limit? That seems fair to me.
FWIW, this seems to be where the accident took place, based on news photos: https://www.google.com/maps/place/N+Mill+Ave+%26+E+Curry+Rd,... It's not completely unlighted, though I'm not sure that's supposed to matter given the AV's sensors? Even if Uber nor the human driver is not legally at fault, I'd still be interested in knowing of Uber's LIDAR and other sensors even detected the woman, and whether it's part of t…
https://sharing.wcpo.com/shareknxv/photo/2018/03/19/poster_9...
It's hard to square that with someone darting over from a brushy median on the driver's side of the car. Hopefully NTSB will grab the sensor data and sort things out.
EDIT: This could get ugly...
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/tempe-breaking/20...
tl;dr -- A homeless woman was walking her bike across the road. "Safety driver" of the robo-car may have a record for attempted armed robbery. Uber disputes the driver's identity.
> “The driver said it was like a flash, the person walked out in front of them,” Moir said. “His first alert to the collision was the sound of the collision.” I don't know if that is supposed to make anyone feel better about this, if anything it makes it seem worse. I thought one of the big benefits of these systems was they were supposed to be better at exactly these kinds of situations? More like "autonomous cars a…
A X,000lb car going 38mph takes a certain amount of time and distance to stop, even with a perfect reaction time. If she really did step out in front of the car with less than that distance to spare, than there wasn’t much to be done, sadly.
>speeding >didn't engage breaks Definitely gives me confidence in self-driving cars, at least she "may have been homeless" so I can sleep easy tonight. Thanks Uber and Tempe!
>speeding >didn't engage breaks >not ubers fault one of these things is not like the other. The basic expectation is that if people are on the edge of a roadway you slow down and pay more attention. What exactly was the person in the drivers seat doing?
This is just police standard operating procedure. In any kind of manslaughter where a vehicle is involved, save on paperwork and blame whichever party ended up dead before the driver has even spoken the words "she came from nowhere". Here is the police chief spelling it out for Uber: she came from the shadows I wonder what that LIDAR thinks about the shadows . I mean, this system is in place because everybody drives…
You aren't kidding about it being standard operating procedure. Almost every time a pedestrian or cyclist is killed in New York City, the police come out and blame anyone but the driver. And then video will turn up afterwards showing that the driver was driving unsafely, and that the fatal accident could have been avoided. Still, no charges are filed. It's like they have an allergy to paperwork. I want to see video o…
There must be equivalents for autonomous driving. They can't be allowed to shield themselves behind "proprietary information" claims.
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And yet the speeding vehicle didn’t even attempt to stop. https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/19/17140936/uber-self-drivin...
Can we please stop calling 38 in a 35 speeding? In many places that speed would be inpeding traffic.
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If there is data to be reviewed, that’s your best bet against someone who was not even there.
There is data...in the form of a video taken by the car that hit her . You don't need a team of PhDs to watch it and make a judgment call.
I've been trying to find video evidence of the crash, and have been unable to do so. The closest I've found is a myriad of news reports showing the stopped car and police scene. On reviewing this evidence however, there is one thing that sticks out: the damage to the car appears to be entirely on the passenger side. If the woman "darted out from the median," then she managed to clear at least half of the traffic lane…
Just to continue my line of unpopular opinions about this: whoever chooses to put a car on the road instead of traveling in a way that hurts others less (walking, transit, bike), is responsible at least in part for any damage, injury or death, just by being there. How many people die by wandering out in front of somebody else walking along? Nobody even has to call a cop, much less determine whose fault it was, becaus…
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