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Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Post by jerf »

tmuir wrote: post #122
darawk wrote: post #74

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He didn't claim it wasn't affiliated with Trump, he said they didn't rely on it that much. And the appeal to 'whataboutism' is a complete non-sequitur, as there is no whataboutism in the parent comment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism Claiming that Obama's campaigns were the true microtargeters, and that if we are angry at the actions of generic people, we must then be angry at Obama, because he did these very things. That is the Whataboutism, or tu quoque fallacy. In lieu of anything to back that claim up, I'll just stick with Hutchins Razor, and reply "Nuh Uh."

Accusations of "whataboutism" are becoming worse than the sin they are trying to prevent. It shouldn't be used as a way of just flushing away the fact that "your side" may also do bad things. It's especially bad when it is used like "A did this bad thing." "Well, Not-A did this bad thing too." "That's just whataboutism... what's important is that A did this bad thing."

Well, it must not be that bad if it doesn't bother you when "your side" does it.

What if... and try to stick with me here, because this is a pretty radical thought here in 2018... what if both sides are doing a despicable thing, and rather than argue with each other about "whataboutism" we should resist both of them?

(In this particular case, I don't think that the campaigns did the exact same things... I think they've been doing all they can possibly get away with for a very long time. So it gets worse every campaign not necessarily because anybody is worse than ever before, but because especially in this century, every four years "all they can possibly get away with" has been growing like gangbusters.)

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Post by dmix »

pas wrote: post #130
dmix wrote: post #123

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> It also seems absurd on its face - they're essentially claiming to be able to not only do a accurate psychological classification on someone based on what they post online, but actually use that to work out how to manipulate their minds. This is not dissimilar to the idea that Russia spending a few million dollars on Facebook ads and automated Twitter bots somehow played a defining role in influencing an election.…

It's easy to start wildfires, that's what paid agitators do and likely did. The problem is - of course - millions of Americans were (and still are) very susceptible to particular kinds of bullshit. (InfoWars, religon, guns don't kill people, "gay agenda", anti-vaxxers, other new age fuckvoodoo, and so on.) Yes, it's probably unknowable how effective the russian bots were exactly.

> Yes, it's probably unknowable how effective the russian bots were exactly.

Possibly but I'd say it's a very safe bet the amount of outrage and blame being put on this foreign super villain boogieman with his infinitely powerful technology far far outweighs it's real world influence.

Oh well, I'm sure it will be a boon for the tech industry the more people believe in this magical nonsense.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Post by neuromantik8086 »

gowld wrote: post #70
watertom wrote: post #50

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Didn't Zuck take the idea for Facebook from someone else and then run with it?

No. The "idea" was already quite old. He scammed the scammers: he stole the company from the "idea guys" who tried to hire a naive nerd to build a company for them and hand it over.

ConnectU wasn't even supposed to be a social network originally, but rather a dating site. You can still see the original mockups of it on archive.org, and it was honestly quite crappy.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Post by neuromantik8086 »

Klathmon wrote: post #29
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #10

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> It really seems like Aleksandr Kogan, not Facebook, is the problem here Kogan probably breached the terms he agreed to with Facebook. But fifty million people trusted Facebook with their data and, when asked in their privacy settings, said they didn't want it shared with third parties. That information was then shared with third parties. If someone calls my bank and convinces customer service they are me, it would…

>If someone calls my bank and convinces customer service they are me, it would be reasonable to say the bank was breached. Not electronically. But breached nonetheless. That's a bad analogy. A more appropriate one would be if you called your bank and told them to allow a 3rd party to have access to all of your accounts, then blamed your bank when the 3rd party drained all your accounts. Facebook has no obligation to…

How about your parents make you a joint account holder on their bank accounts to help them with their finances as they age, and then you allow a fraud to drain their account because you're ethically compromised?

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Post by SahAssar »

gt_ wrote: post #104
theoh wrote: post #71

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"Everything indicates"? Facebook's vision for their product and the future world is appalling. Zuckerberg may be doing his best, but he continues to helm a product/service which is structurally bad for its users even before you consider the surveillance aspect. What could you possibly have in mind as evidence for Zuckerberg being any more than superficially competent for the social role he is playing?

Social role? Until further notice, America is a capitalist country and Zuckerberg’s score says it all. Who needs social roles?

The US is not purely capitalist and has not been for a long time (if ever). There are many laws and regulations to limit the influence of capitalism and to reign back it's (in a pure form) detrimental effects on society. You might not agree with that, but that is the system as it is.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Post by olds »

medyadaily wrote: post #32

I have a personal story from inside facebook to share. and when I shared this story on my facebook my personal facebook was suspended too. 5 years ago Facebook recruiter reached out to me and invited me to the W hotel in Chicago. I was very excited -not for the job- but for the opportunity to meet with senior Facebook managers and tell them about an evil thing Facebook does. Here is the background story: I am Kurdish…

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Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Post by atomical »

s2g wrote: post #97
gowld wrote: post #69

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What indicates that Mark has matured quite a bit since then?

He doesn’t just outright say that stuff anymore. No evidence he doesn’t still think it, but he doesn’t say it.

That was from a leak. So how do you know he doesn't say it anymore?

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Post by medyadaily »

olds wrote: post #136
medyadaily wrote: post #32

I have a personal story from inside facebook to share. and when I shared this story on my facebook my personal facebook was suspended too. 5 years ago Facebook recruiter reached out to me and invited me to the W hotel in Chicago. I was very excited -not for the job- but for the opportunity to meet with senior Facebook managers and tell them about an evil thing Facebook does. Here is the background story: I am Kurdish…

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Response to your bullets with their corresponding number.

1- The story I am talking about was 5 years ago, at that time you could not select Kurdistan in hometown. it was the previous version of facebook profile (before they change it and it was like that for more than 10 years) we fought 10 years, hundreds thousands of pettitions. so your screenshot is Irrelevant.

The story of kurdish accounts being banned for having Kurdish flag is still true, specially during the massacare that happened in the city of Afrin Massacre just a few days ago.

2- I did not work at FB, FB reached out to me to hire me, I went there and I asked them the questions inside FB. I will NEVER ever work for FB. Crappy technologies, Crappy company, not inline with my values.

4- They invited me to W hotel in Chicago, I might still have the conversation in my LinkedIn, what are you trying to say ? are trying to imply I made this story up ? I believe the the recruiting team (including managers and developers) was visiting Chicago, and the job was not in Chicago.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Post by medyadaily »

olds wrote: post #136
medyadaily wrote: post #32

I have a personal story from inside facebook to share. and when I shared this story on my facebook my personal facebook was suspended too. 5 years ago Facebook recruiter reached out to me and invited me to the W hotel in Chicago. I was very excited -not for the job- but for the opportunity to meet with senior Facebook managers and tell them about an evil thing Facebook does. Here is the background story: I am Kurdish…

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and in the end you are suspecting my credibility, you can checkout my Github I am a public person, I am actually presenting K8Guard for Kuberentes for Linux Foundation in a few weeks. I can stand and testify for every claim I made.

The leaked document inside facebook was also verifies a lot of things I said. (the leaked document was very old not sure how many years ago 6-7 years ago maybe) that they clearly had examples of what flags to and what words to ban. including innocent kurdish flags.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Post by medyadaily »

Vinnl wrote: post #109
lolc wrote: post #95

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It is surprising to me how easy Internet companies are bullied into censorship. Services should start carrying the "Banned in Turkey" flag as a badge of honor. "Banned in China" is required nowadays if you want to be taken seriously anyway. For individuals, "Banned from Facebook" has a similar note. For a time now, Kurdish interests have been prosecuted by Facebook. And not just in Turkey.

I think the likes of WeChat and Alibaba have Western companies thinking twice before proudly wearing a "Banned in China" badge.

turkey is no china, china is a economy power, contributes a lot to the world. Turkey is nothing like that, they do contribute in promoting Jihadi and extremist version of islam but that is not the contribution you want.
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