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Re: China using big data to detain people before crime is committed

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Post by bb88 »

Slansitartop wrote: post #101
anthonyleecook wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need some investors to band up and recreate the hardware environment in Shenzhen. There would be a lot of money made that way too so not sure why there wouldn’t be one in Nevada or Arizona or something.

Yeah, I kinda wish that Apple, as a condition of repatriating its billions at a lower tax rate, had to spend that money standing up Shenzen-like infrastructure somewhere in the US to build its products.

I think the problem is that even if they did, they wouldn't use the facilities, because the labor in the Chinese/Taiwanese facilities would still be cheaper.

Re: China using big data to detain people before crime is committed

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Post by liberte82 »

drb91 wrote: post #110
forapurpose wrote: post #93

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> I'm not sure what another state department might have done The US State Department, and the entire US government, has for generations made human rights central to US foreign policy. It's believed that people with freedom and opportunity become vibrant trade partners and allies, not enemies in war. Democracies don't start wars against other democracies, as an historical rule. That historic policy is widely believed…

This seems deeply, deeply idealistic to me--but ultimately this seems political, so I'll just say my point was that it's not clear what Obama could have done differently aside from save face and keep the state department staffed.

I miss idealism.

Re: China using big data to detain people before crime is committed

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Post by puppetmaster400 »

anthonyleecook wrote: post #71
ejlangev wrote: post #57

It's a shame we moved a lot of the US industrial base to an authoritarian and potentially hostile country like China. A bit scary to think of the generation or two of people who won't have the knowledge to manufacture things should they ever need to because of conflict in some form. Seems like it reduces any leverage the US has for holding China accountable for much that it does.

We need some investors to band up and recreate the hardware environment in Shenzhen. There would be a lot of money made that way too so not sure why there wouldn’t be one in Nevada or Arizona or something.

What China did: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_economic_zones_of_Chin...

is very reproducible, by USA or anyone. They for decades had 10% GDP growth: BY REDUCING TAXES. Not something popular in California - due to Cali math(CA tax payer does not understand that lower taxes = higher tax revenue )

Re: China using big data to detain people before crime is committed

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Post by bb88 »

korethr wrote: post #120
anthonyleecook wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need some investors to band up and recreate the hardware environment in Shenzhen. There would be a lot of money made that way too so not sure why there wouldn’t be one in Nevada or Arizona or something.

While I like the idea, I think there are presently cultural barriers in the way of that succeeding, mainly the Western view of IP vs the Eastern view of IP. Bunnie talks about it on his blog here: https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4297

This is pretty spot on. A fun channel on Youtube to watch is BigClive where he tears the stuff from china apart and comments on it.

Here's one where he tears down a flicker flame lamp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KhtBA0EHDM

Re: China using big data to detain people before crime is committed

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Post by krapp »

Noos wrote: post #98
anonytrary wrote: post #31

For those of you who find this interesting and also enjoy anime, Psycho-Pass explores this premise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psycho-Pass TLDR: > The story takes place in an authoritarian future dystopia, where omnipresent public sensors continuously scan the mental states of every passing citizen. Collected data on both present mentality and aggregated personality data is used to gauge the probability of that ci…

Psycho-Pass is excellent. They also released a visual novel in the states, Psycho-Pass: Mandatory Happiness. I also found when watching it it felt like it was decently inspired from the older anime Cyber City Oedo 808, which had the plot of the criminal enforcers hunting others.

Shame they never made a second season.

Re: China using big data to detain people before crime is committed

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Post by sushid »

Slansitartop wrote: post #97
ardit33 wrote: post #87

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I disagree.... the US was shit at producing weapons before WW2 (apart from Carriers), yet within two years was to able to be the number one mass producer in quantity, and eventually on quality. When there is both political and economical will, the country will be able to mass-produce again. Right now there is no economic incentive to do so.

Didn't a lot of that military production capacity come from repurposing civilian infrastructure, like auto plants and the like? Also, it would probably be harder to bootstrap 2020s-era manufacturing infrastructure than it would be to bootstrap 1940s-era infrastructure.

It was also the first time we had idle housewives become a prominent place in the workforce. We don't really have that luxury in this day and age.

Re: China using big data to detain people before crime is committed

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Post by zombieprocesses »

anthonyleecook wrote: post #47
cdepman wrote: post #22

We’re on our way there too in the US: https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predict...

I know there are a lot of clamoring here about ‘oh we are becoming this too and that too’. And it’s a natural reaction: we feel like we cannot change anything about China and how it governs its people, so we try to stigmatize our own government. But the truth of the matter is US government is nowhere near the heavy handed ness of China, and we can deal with China to some degree. We can hold China to its actions. Afte…

> we feel like we cannot change anything about China and how it governs its people

Who are we to change anything about china? Talk about hubris. Considering the horrors and war crimes we committed against china for 150 years, I don't think china is interested on our input.

> After reading about the uigher concentration camps in China

That's as silly as a chinese person saying after reading about the native american "concentrations", they need to take a stand.

> I don’t want to help the government terrorize my friends in China anymore.

Your friends? If the government is "terrorizing" your friends, what are they doing in china?

Get off your high horse. We aren't the world police and we certainly aren't saints. Pretending we are "moral" while destabilizing countries and murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people is rather hypocritical.

Re: China using big data to detain people before crime is committed

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Post by maxerickson »

puppetmaster400 wrote: post #133
anthonyleecook wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need some investors to band up and recreate the hardware environment in Shenzhen. There would be a lot of money made that way too so not sure why there wouldn’t be one in Nevada or Arizona or something.

What China did: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_economic_zones_of_Chin... is very reproducible, by USA or anyone. They for decades had 10% GDP growth: BY REDUCING TAXES. Not something popular in California - due to Cali math(CA tax payer does not understand that lower taxes = higher tax revenue )

The other trick China used is that it started with a very small economy. Per capita GDP is still less than $10,000 per person, compared to $56,000 in California.

Have you done your homework on your tax claim? Because it isn't actually guaranteed that lower tax rates will lead to higher tax revenue, it depends on the specifics of the tax regime and proposed cut.

Re: China using big data to detain people before crime is committed

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Post by [deleted] »

sushid wrote: post #136
Slansitartop wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't a lot of that military production capacity come from repurposing civilian infrastructure, like auto plants and the like? Also, it would probably be harder to bootstrap 2020s-era manufacturing infrastructure than it would be to bootstrap 1940s-era infrastructure.

It was also the first time we had idle housewives become a prominent place in the workforce. We don't really have that luxury in this day and age.

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Re: China using big data to detain people before crime is committed

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Post by coldacid »

zombieprocesses wrote: post #128
anonytrary wrote: post #31

For those of you who find this interesting and also enjoy anime, Psycho-Pass explores this premise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psycho-Pass TLDR: > The story takes place in an authoritarian future dystopia, where omnipresent public sensors continuously scan the mental states of every passing citizen. Collected data on both present mentality and aggregated personality data is used to gauge the probability of that ci…

Or if you like good movies, Minority Report...

Please. Compared to the actual short story, the movie is utter trash.
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