Many countries are using these pre-crime estimators. What we need to see are the false positive and false negative rates.
Anybody got measures of those?
China using big data to detain people before crime is committed
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#22We’re on our way there too in the US:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predict...
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#23Does it actually work? Or are the "criminals" just social activists?
They are not "criminals" if they never committed a crime, they are people being detained based on probabilities.
Has it had an effect on crime rates? If so, this is interesting. It means crime is predictable based on the inputs the system is measuring. It also means the Chinese AI effort is more fruitful than I expected it to be. If this is reducing crime, then we have a discussion of trade-offs. That is interesting, and potentially nuanced.
If it's the latter, however, this is not interesting and there is no reasonable discussion to be had.
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#25I would like the see analysis of the politicians that allowed this.
Would it surprise you to learn that they resist being exploited by the very systems they promote?
http://www.zdnet.com/article/fcc-chairman-browsing-history-f...
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#26"Minority Report"
For the uninitiated, it's an amazing movie starring Tom Cruise which talks about "precrime" - although no big data involved. Highly recommend that one watch it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_Report_(film)
Based on a short story by Philip K. Dick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Minority_Report
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#27So as many of the comments echoed they are using big data to perform parallel reconstruction to detain people and justify it using some kind of computational technique ?
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#28Pysho pass anyone?
That’s probably the closest to the article because the system justifies itself to be right. Other commenters have said that it’s a case of parallel reconstruction . (Which would rule out minority report).
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#29This will be rolled out further and further, first the rest of China, then other parts of Asia, eventually Europe and the Americas. Strongly resist the rollout of this technology, along with the social credit rating systems. This is like the last chapter of humanity before we stagnate for hundreds of years.
In the US at least, there are probably enough people with a significant number of firearms that it would take a war to make this work. I’m not usually fond of anti-government fanatics, but I have to admit that in extremes they can be useful.
Re: China using big data to detain people before crime is committed
#30This will be rolled out further and further, first the rest of China, then other parts of Asia, eventually Europe and the Americas. Strongly resist the rollout of this technology, along with the social credit rating systems. This is like the last chapter of humanity before we stagnate for hundreds of years.
At this rate, China is 10 years away from being the premiere surveillance state in all history. I mean, think of all the laboratory requirements they meet that no one else does in this grand experiment:
- Single party state
- President-for-life
- Full-spectrum surveillance of their own citizens with little to no oversight
- Court system that criminalizes political dissent
- Large "re-education" and "work-based" prison system
- Widespread and automated censorship of media and online discussion in all forms, combined with a willing rewriting of history (e.g., Tiananmen in 1989 has been completely scrubbed, and discussion of it in any form is deleted within minutes)
- "Social score" system that integrates the surveillance system into the legal and bureaucratic systems
- Limited access to external information of any form outside of the Great Firewall
- The money, capability, and the political willingness to implement and expand all of the above as needed
I am hard-pressed right now to imagine any other country that is drifting more quickly to a dystopian surveillance state than China.