> Passion is prized in this industry and people who come into code out of love are considered special. It is also considered the reason why certain groups of people are less represented in tech, because not as many of them are building Linux machines in their basements for fun. I apologize in advance for being time deaf / lack of empathy. But why is this surprising? The best musicians I know were obsessed with their…
I don’t want to be a software developer anymore
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why wouldn't she? Maybe she wanted to get her foot in the door. The point I'm trying to make is that the company needed her more than she needed them.
>Why wouldn't she? Because it's unethical to agree to work for a rate you're not actually willing to work for. She wasted a lot of people's time and resources to bring her on board for those three weeks. >The point I'm trying to make is that the company needed her more than she needed them. I wouldn't want to work with a person who accepts an offer and then THREE WEEKS later starts demanding raises, no matter what th…
Re: I don’t want to be a software developer anymore
#133Software development is a "lucky" field for those who have the brain power to complete the work. There is no "lowering the bar" in this field, not really. We try and try and the results speak for themselves. Some few have the aptitude and can learn and expand, most will never be able to. There's no amount of social engineering that can fix that. It is astounding how technology breaks with all human wishes and desires and becomes its own thing, not to be dominated, only harnessed.
I have always been against affirmative action for minorities or for women for the very reason mentioned in the article--how demoralizing is it to know you got in via a quota versus being able to actually hack it? I'm all for giving anyone a try out, but they have to measure up in some way and have an improvement arc and I have run into this as a mentor time and again--who to expend more energy on because they have huge potential and who to counsel into project management or some other area (which by the way, those other areas have value, they aren't all worthless, so don't read into that). My own company is going through yet another "diversity" initiative this year. It's Cultural Marxism, identity politics, find root because the social engineers enjoy tinkering. The end result will be negative for the company, wait and see. If they survive, it will be because intelligent people innovated, not because bars were lowered or outcomes were tinkered with.
This is getting long, so my best advice is this: If you don't want to be a developer, don't. You will find some other kind of work to do that suits you. The pay differential is real, but I think that is more a comment on how bad other career paths are doing overall versus how "privileged" software developers are--demand better pay and better working conditions and stop going along to get along. If the world's biggest social engineers got their way, we would all be serfs on plantations, paid in company script and completely redundant. That some of us aren't that means there is hope for humanity.
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Shittier jobs I've had than a desk job: 5-6 hours a day biking in -15C snow with wet feet (Mailman). 8 hours a day moving chips one by one in and out of an EPROM writer because it was cheaper to have me do that than pay the extra 2c to have them preprogrammed. The chips were 25c without programming and 27c with. (Ericson subcontractor). And I am privileged as hell, coming from Sweden with a good education and a famil…
Another Swede, was very fun to see that you got a job at Blizzard Entertainment. :D Childhood dread come true?
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#135I wonder has anyone ever faced something similar and or what would you do besides moving on/getting another job because I've been on 15 interviews and oddly haven't received any offers(anomaly for me).
Re: I don’t want to be a software developer anymore
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Shittier jobs I've had than a desk job: 5-6 hours a day biking in -15C snow with wet feet (Mailman). 8 hours a day moving chips one by one in and out of an EPROM writer because it was cheaper to have me do that than pay the extra 2c to have them preprogrammed. The chips were 25c without programming and 27c with. (Ericson subcontractor). And I am privileged as hell, coming from Sweden with a good education and a famil…
I don't see how the 2c saving per chip, multiplied by any reasonable number of chips a person can swap in and out could pay for the work (in the so-called developed world, at that)? There are other good reasons to be doing that, like nearly instant turnaround time if a change in the firmware occurs in early production runs.
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For the past decade I made it very clear during interviews that I value work-life balance and that in fact it increases my overall productivity. I was never told to fuck-off (And I'm in SV). In fact any company that "requires" (explicitely or implicitely) employees to work more than 8-9 hours a day should be seen as a huge red flag IMO.
This supposes you can afford to get a job elsewhere. Most people need a job now.
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You didn’t read it well. You are misrepresenting what he wrote and propagating lies. “Higher neuroticism” and “natural aptitude” doesn’t mesh. Maybe you don’t understand what “aptitude” or “neuroticism” means, but neuroticism is a clinical term. It means the tendency to have negative feelings. It is entirely orthogonal to aptitude. So your conclusion is false. You are confusing “traits” with “aptitude”. Again, maybe…
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aptitude maybe you're getting angry because you're assuming the I'm using definition of aptitude as "quickness to learn" and not "suitability". I was using the word to mean "suitability", and it's kind of unarguable that saying that a job is very stressful and a person has a low tolerance for stress is saying that to some extent they're unsuitable for the job. He did say tha…
And you are confusing “abilities” with characteristics again.
Okay, please stop propagating lies in the future.
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#139I don’t agree with James Damore’s writing, but he never said that women were there because the bar was lowered. He said that the reason there are less women in tech is due to the fact that the way it’s set up right now makes it less interesting or desirable for most women, and he suggested ways to change the nature of programming jobs and how programming is done in order to naturally attract more women to the field.…
Programming can be incredibly tedious. I often wonder why men want to do it. Why is it controversial that women find doing other things more compelling and interesting? Look at the subjects given a choice, chose at University. Isn't it a win for society when people get to do what they're interested i and passionate in. Instead of being shoehorned into some position that they hate.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why wouldn't she? Maybe she wanted to get her foot in the door. The point I'm trying to make is that the company needed her more than she needed them.
>Why wouldn't she? Because it's unethical to agree to work for a rate you're not actually willing to work for. She wasted a lot of people's time and resources to bring her on board for those three weeks. >The point I'm trying to make is that the company needed her more than she needed them. I wouldn't want to work with a person who accepts an offer and then THREE WEEKS later starts demanding raises, no matter what th…
I wouldn't want to work with a person who puts their own ideas about when it's appropriate to expect a raise over keeping bright people.
She didn't waste anyone's time; unlike most, she was productive from day one to the day she left. The company was wasting their own time by optimizing for low compensation and not engineering acumen.
Companies have no problem staffing projects they know will be canceled soon, or projects that are underfunded. It's a dog eat dog world, I'm afraid.