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Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by k_sh »

WD-42 wrote: post #128
carussell wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what you're referring to. Not quite as laborious as what? When I mentioned things like "setting up a remote", I was specifically thinking of GitHub and GitLab's web forms. It's as exactly as involved as I outlined above.

It's really not that hard: https://help.github.com/articles/creating-a-pull-request-fro...

GitHub also lets new contributors edit in upstream repositories - and then coordinates a new fork, branch, and PR for the change when the user clicks "Save".

Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by carussell »

WD-42 wrote: post #128
carussell wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what you're referring to. Not quite as laborious as what? When I mentioned things like "setting up a remote", I was specifically thinking of GitHub and GitLab's web forms. It's as exactly as involved as I outlined above.

It's really not that hard: https://help.github.com/articles/creating-a-pull-request-fro...

I don't understand how this is a response to anything I wrote in my first comment, or the followup that you're directly responding to. Once again, pull requests work exactly as I outlined above.

Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by ubernostrum »

ufo wrote: post #20
mathw wrote: post #9

I don't actually understand this. Are they referring to the agreements for contributing to GitLab itself, or for contributing to things hosted on GitLab, which surely have nothing to do with the hosting at all?

GNOME and Debian wanted to replace some of their infrastructure with Gitlab but before they did that they asked Gitlab to get rid of their CLA. Before this announcement, people contributing to gitlab itself effectively gave full control of copyrights to gitlab but from now on contributors will keep full control of the copyrights for what they contribute. GNOME and Debian are very serious about free software and are w…

I wouldn't expect Gitlab to do something stupid like this today but getting rid of the CLA protects the free software community from Gitlab doing stupid things in the future.

I'm confused now about what was in Gitlab's CLA. The CLAs I've signed never transferred rights to someone else, only asserted that I had the right to grant a license and was granting a license I wouldn't later revoke (since the point of a CLA is to protect a project from "oops I wasn't supposed to contribute that" or "oops, new boss here decided to revoke all our contributions").

I'm also confused why GNOME and Debian would have a problem with a CLA even if it did constitute a transfer of rights, since FSF actually does require you to sign over copyright to them in order to contribute, and GNOME and Debian seem happy to use FSF projects.

Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by jrochkind1 »

sytse wrote: post #79
jrochkind1 wrote: post #74

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Inability to find the valid metrics you want is not justification to use invalid numbers.

These numbers are the most valid numbers we can find and match what we estimate based on other even less exact data (like the version check build into GitLab).

If you want to publish a research paper, "Yeah, I know this isn't really a valid measurement, but it's the best I can do" isn't going to cut it. This isn't a research paper, but honesty is honesty. If those are the best numbers you have, I would simply not say "X% of enteprises are using" -- because you don't actually know that. I'd say what you know instead, however you can describe it. Yep, it doesn't read as well marketting-wise, true.

Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by RadioactiveMan »

sandworm101 wrote: post #45
camgunz wrote: post #37

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How much do you really care if their marketing department is aggressive? Isn't it better that GitLab is open source and a reasonably good member of the OSS community? Honestly I don't even count those stats as false; Jenkins feels super old and the context weirdness ("Not every enterprise self-hosts a git repository") actually makes sense. If this is the trade to support OSS, it's way better than building a shadow su…

>>> if their marketing department is aggressive? Telling lies /= aggressive. Where advertising makes claims that are objectively false they should be called out. This isn't 'puffing' or hyperbolic opinion. This is saying X is Y. That these lies are in support of an agenda with which many here might agree does not matter.

It's not a lie. They linked right to an elaboration of that statement.

Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by kelnos »

RadioactiveMan wrote: post #135
sandworm101 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>> if their marketing department is aggressive? Telling lies /= aggressive. Where advertising makes claims that are objectively false they should be called out. This isn't 'puffing' or hyperbolic opinion. This is saying X is Y. That these lies are in support of an agenda with which many here might agree does not matter.

It's not a lie. They linked right to an elaboration of that statement.

Sure, but the link text is deliberately misleading. The stat "3/4 of all enterprises", on its own, is patently false. The fact that you can click the link to "fix" the lie is irrelevant.

Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by [deleted] »

chungy wrote: post #94
johannes1234321 wrote: post #85

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Then you also didn't work on the kernel, the community where git came from ;) There you have to attach the patch to a weird e-mail and hope somebody picks it up. But it's true - a pull system is nice for drive-by contributions. In some projects I noticed that after being listed in GitHub (be it as mirror or primary place) the number of contributions improved, but also many low-quality contributions came in.

The kernel’s process would be far superior to what GNOME does currently. I’ve simply not sent GNOME patches because they won’t accept them over email, and require using a wonky web interface (bugzilla) with an account to do it instead. I would really much rather to be able to just do a `git send-email` as many other projects (not just the kernel!) accept.

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Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by sirclueless »

carussell wrote: post #132
WD-42 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really not that hard: https://help.github.com/articles/creating-a-pull-request-fro...

I don't understand how this is a response to anything I wrote in my first comment, or the followup that you're directly responding to. Once again, pull requests work exactly as I outlined above.

No one is disagreeing that this is the technical process behind creating a pull request. It just turns out that a number of companies including Github and GitLab are willing to do all of these steps with a few button presses for free for anyone on behalf of any open source project.

Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by oAlbe »

kochthesecond wrote: post #110
WD-42 wrote: post #67

As someone who has attempted to contribute to the GNOME project, this makes me super happy. The current process is archaic: attaching patch files to weird bug trackers and then sorta just waiting for someone to get back to you... A proper pull request system with code review would lower the barrier of entry for contributions to these projects significantly.

Absolutely. There is a near hundred hour startup cost to get into helping gnome, so making this process simpler should really be prioritized.

What do you mean? That it takes one hundred hours of experience with the code base to be able to start making contributions?

Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab

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Post by dominotw »

ShabbosGoy wrote: post #120
compuguy wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I checked Jenkins is a modern CI product.

Depends on your definition of modern. I don't really care what you call it, the fact of the matter is that it's slow and an inferior product.

Its not relevant here if its inferior or not. Not counting your competition and declaring yourself as no.1 is dishonest.
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