The title says "Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab" but unless I'm missing something, there's nothing in the article about this supposed migration.
Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab
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Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
From bitrise link > We randomly selected 10,000 apps as a base "2/3 of all enterprises" can only be true if all enterprises are building apps on bitrise.
I do agree that the majority of Bitrise their population is not the enterprise at all. The only other representative data we could find was from BuddyBuild https://www.buddybuild.com/blog/source-code-hosting#selfhost... and has the same problem. You can see that it also isn't enterprise because the vast majority of their respondents is cloud hosted. If there is a better data source we can use I would love to know. It…
In the last 3 enterprises that I've worked in, 2 did (do) use GitLab. So, I guess what I'm saying is, it matches my experience.
Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a very big difference between "2/3 of all enterprises" (press release) and "a 2/3 market share in self-hosted Git providers" ( glutamate , above). I've been a fan of GitLab's for quite a while (mostly due to your transparency; I just created an account a few weeks ago to try it out) but -- unless you are claiming that GitLab is being used by two-thirds of " all enterprises" -- this is very misleading, IMO.
> There's a very big difference between "2/3 of all enterprises" (press release) and "a 2/3 market share in self-hosted Git providers" (glutamate, above). And even that is a total pulled out of the ass claim. At most it could be "who responded to our survey"
It would take a lot less than 2/3 to have a representative sample, fwiw
Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fedora requires an FPCA. In the comments below https://about.gitlab.com/2017/11/01/gitlab-switches-to-dco-l... we say the following about that: "While FPCA may not be a typical CLA with regard to rights and restrictions, this is not the only factor we looked into. We also were looking into whether there were terms in general, other than commonly used open source terms. Our analysis took into account that non-legal us…
I understand your position. But it hurts me a bit to see all of the hard work we put into replacing the Apache style CLA with the FPCA and our messaging around it to make sure we explain it in transparent ways being reduced to "doesn't really matter, it's still just a CLA if you're not an expert" :(
Mmm, I'm sorry to hear that. I agree that between CLA's there can be vast differences in the terms. We did not intent to detail those differences in our blog post. BTW Have you considered changing it to a DCO?
Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab
#85As someone who has attempted to contribute to the GNOME project, this makes me super happy. The current process is archaic: attaching patch files to weird bug trackers and then sorta just waiting for someone to get back to you... A proper pull request system with code review would lower the barrier of entry for contributions to these projects significantly.
Then you also didn't work on the kernel, the community where git came from ;) There you have to attach the patch to a weird e-mail and hope somebody picks it up.
But it's true - a pull system is nice for drive-by contributions. In some projects I noticed that after being listed in GitHub (be it as mirror or primary place) the number of contributions improved, but also many low-quality contributions came in.
Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab
#86> GitLab, a software product used by 2/3 of all enterprises, ... This claim is false. The linked survey shows that GitLab has a 2/3 market share in self-hosted Git providers. Not every enterprise self-hosts a git repository.
I bought this up on HN in the past[1], but it gets instantly downvoted( by gitlab employees?) , my comment was a response to CEO claiming how their marketing is honest[2]. They also declared Gitlab CI as number one CI by excluding Jenkins because of their made up defintion of "modern" . 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15590240 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15589654
This whole thread is full of their employees arguing (quite aggressively in some cases) with people for calling them out or questioning their marketing claims. I wouldn't be surprised if they're downvoting en-masse too. Doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in their company and I'm surprised this type of behaviour is allowed on HN.
Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab
#87I can't help to think that Gitlab is more and more eating Github's lunch. I wonder why we see so little from Github to get out of that situation.
While I'm glad to see competition gearing up, I don't think GitHub and GitLab are in the same ballpark yet. While I'm a big fan of their team and culture approach, we yet to see better/respected GitLab.com SLA guarantees — it still feels like they're doing too much "testing on production".
Gitlabber here.
We have a plan to address this and are kicking off our move to GCP shortly. Our top-level engineering department goal is to make gitlab.com ready for mission critical workloads and are targeting industry standard SLA's (e.g. three 9's). You can see our proposed architecture here if you're curious: https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/infrastructure/production-...
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Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab
#89> GitLab, a software product used by 2/3 of all enterprises, ... This claim is false. The linked survey shows that GitLab has a 2/3 market share in self-hosted Git providers. Not every enterprise self-hosts a git repository.
We claim it based on the assumption that almost all very large companies (enterprise) host their own source code and they are switching to git. We have 2/3 market share with self hosted git as shown with two data points https://about.gitlab.com/is-it-any-good/#gitlab-has-23-marke... I'll consider adding the rationale to the page. We're seeing organizations adopt SaaS but the largest companies tend to be the last ones…
I dunno. I do R&D tax credit studies for hundreds of enterprise software firms and I always ask what version control system(s) they use and where/how it is hosted. I would guesstimate between a third and a half use GitLab in some capacity. And even then a lot of the time it's only for some teams or some projects. I do work with a disproportionate number of MS shops and a disproportionate number of medium to large companies (and few very large companies), but that's kind of the point. Those companies account for a lot of the enterprise market, yet you aren't including them in your claim. You've still got amazing market share and an impressive product, so there's no need to exaggerate. Just say 2/3rds of self-hosted git. That's a powerful enough marketing statement in and of itself.
Re: Debian and GNOME announce plans to migrate communities to GitLab
#90> GitLab, a software product used by 2/3 of all enterprises, ... This claim is false. The linked survey shows that GitLab has a 2/3 market share in self-hosted Git providers. Not every enterprise self-hosts a git repository.
We claim it based on the assumption that almost all very large companies (enterprise) host their own source code and they are switching to git. We have 2/3 market share with self hosted git as shown with two data points https://about.gitlab.com/is-it-any-good/#gitlab-has-23-marke... I'll consider adding the rationale to the page. We're seeing organizations adopt SaaS but the largest companies tend to be the last ones…
> We claim it based on the assumption that almost all very large companies (enterprise) host their own source code and they are switching to git.
Almost all × Almost all (even assuming that's not overstated for either of those claims, which given the evidence of your inappropriately narrow definition of “enterprise” and my experience in the parts of that space you don't seem to have considered, I doubt) isn't the same as all, or even almost all.
> We and our competition can easily make that claim since almost all Fortune 500 companies have at least one use of GitHub, GitLab, and Atlassian.
“Enterprise”, as a software market, is more than Fortune 500. Not only is that an overly narrow definition for private, for-profit enterprises, “enterprise” also included large public and non-profit (e.g.—but not exclusively—academic) institutions.