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Google Unveils Tools to Increase Subscriptions for Publishers

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State financing and governmental curation of content is the worst thing you can think of if you want freedom of the press. It doesn't matter if it's called "fairness", or "public good", or "truth", or anything else - by the end of it, it would be just a means by which people currently in power can shape the content of the news. It is never a good idea to give governmental enforcers control over the content of the pre…

> State financing and governmental curation of content is the worst thing you can think of if you want freedom of the press. You can have public funding with independent editorial control and content curation. This is how most publicly funded news outlets work in liberal democracies, such as the BBC.

What's "independent"? If someone doesn't work for government, it doesn't mean he is "independent" - everybody has their opinions and biases and peer networks and so on. If somebody does work for the government, they are certainly not "independent" in any sensible meaning of the word.

How would you ensure that "independent editorial control" would not oppress unpopular opinions? Institute yet another independent curator of curators? And then the third one and fourth one? Why not just leave the people alone and instead of having a dozen curatorial organizations just let them themselves choose what they want to read and listen to? You think they are not able of figuring it by themselves?

> This is how most publicly funded news outlets work in liberal democracies, such as the BBC.

Most of those outlets are very biased and open only to particular set of opinions. Including, of course, BBC. While they manage to occasionally produce high-quality content, they certainly nowhere near providing an adequate representation of the spectrum of opinion existing in the society. Fortunately, in most liberal democracies state-run media does not enjoy the monopoly on information, thus this bias is easily corrected by a gamut of other media outlets. However, since private media is capable of representing the whole gamut of opinions anyway, and to produce high-quality content too, and there is no discernable advantage in public media in that regard, what's the point of having it at all?

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Wikipedia however is explicitly a secondary source, by design. For news, it becomes contradictory - because news naturally tends to be primary source things, why would you want secondary source news if you can have primary source ones? Of course, nothing prevents wikinews from being primary source - but that requires much larger expenses of people actually doing original research and reporting (things explicitly shun…

WikiNews.org

Thank you, I know what wikinews is. I also know it can't exist without primary sources (and btw can't probably exist if all those become subscription-only).

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Here's the approach I've been working on: -Pay $~4/mo -Every upvote you give during that month (not just views, since I think views encourage clickbait) gives an equal slice of that $4 pie. -At the end of the month, a flat $1 goes to pay for server costs, then the rest is distributed evenly between every upvote. You can see a mini-demo here: http://syd.jjcm.org/soci/ The nice part of it is it ranks by quality while d…

If things like Reddit are anything to go by, upvotes will quickly stop denoting quality and start denoting agreement with the perspective offered. In short, paying for an echo chamber.

Possibly, but I feel like at the very least if monetary value is attached to an upvote, then upvoting some meme will at least make you think, "Is this meme worth taking away money from the documentary I upvoted yesterday?"

It may devolve into paying for an echo chamber, but I have faith that at least a larger number of people will reconsider their votes if they know that the votes give a share of their pool of contribution.

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Subscriptions are just the wrong model for news publishers. There's NO way I could possibly afford to subscribe to every news output I occasionally read news from, unless the subscriptions were so close to free as to be useless as a revenue source for the publisher. It's just not going to happen. What we desperately need is a real, useful micro-payments model where you can pay per-article. I'd be happy to pay you a f…

> What we desperately need is a real, useful micro-payments model where you can pay per-article The other side of the coin is that if you're a news organisation, "the economics just don't work" with micro payments. You can't fund a month long investigative report based on micropayments, even if it produces a prize-winning piece, if you don't have guaranteed income to support it. What happens if you spend the month in…

Universal Basic Income will help with this, as basic living expenses will be covered, assuming we supply enough UBI that people can afford this, which I would suggest is part of necessity for a healthy society.

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WikiNews.org

Thank you, I know what wikinews is. I also know it can't exist without primary sources (and btw can't probably exist if all those become subscription-only).

Well, that's where the monetary contributions would come in.

There would be a subscription service like Netflix. And people would contribute all kinds of things to it, including citizen journalism with their own cellphone videos etc. But it would be collaborative, not competitive. Only one story per news item.

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Roughly $50

I'd argue that's better than most... I think a paywall with a soft funnel can do wonders to bring people to pay for content that they value.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that what I really object to is the clickbait headlines, since they cause me to use up my five free WaPo articles very quickly each month, only to be disappointed that the articles do not actually live up to the bait offered by the headline.

But I agree that the concept of a paywall is not necessarily evil. FWIW the sites I do pay for all have paywalled content.

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I'd argue that's better than most... I think a paywall with a soft funnel can do wonders to bring people to pay for content that they value.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that what I really object to is the clickbait headlines, since they cause me to use up my five free WaPo articles very quickly each month, only to be disappointed that the articles do not actually live up to the bait offered by the headline. But I agree that the concept of a paywall is not necessarily evil. FWIW the sites I do pay for all have paywalled content.

Anyway, for the WaPo you can click on your browser's Reader Mode button and that bypasses the paywall. However I stopped to read the pop-up and they have a $20/year international subscription, so I decided to pay for that.

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Micropayments for most major US news outlets already exists - check out Blendle.com. It's in closed beta right now, but works great, and invites are easy to come by. It does require you to read articles on its own website and not the original publisher's, but it's a nice clean layout. You own (a license for) articles once you pay for them. There's also fast, automated refunds if you don't like an article.

Thanks for that, not heard of them, sounds like a good business model, I wish them the best but I won't be investing.

Uh, invest? Why not just use them and recommend them to friends? They need users most of all.

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> What we desperately need is a real, useful micro-payments model where you can pay per-article The other side of the coin is that if you're a news organisation, "the economics just don't work" with micro payments. You can't fund a month long investigative report based on micropayments, even if it produces a prize-winning piece, if you don't have guaranteed income to support it. What happens if you spend the month in…

Universal Basic Income will help with this, as basic living expenses will be covered, assuming we supply enough UBI that people can afford this, which I would suggest is part of necessity for a healthy society.

But this is just another way of saying the gov't pays.

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Universal Basic Income will help with this, as basic living expenses will be covered, assuming we supply enough UBI that people can afford this, which I would suggest is part of necessity for a healthy society.

But this is just another way of saying the gov't pays.

What is money? What are taxes? It's all relating to a promise of a certain amount of work will be done. Do we generally do free things for our family, for our elderly parents, etc? Yes, we do. It's the idea of imagine if what everyone did was to work in service of others, where no money was exchanged - but if literally everyone is helping you - you will be 100% taken care of. With automation we can replace - or rather we can free many people's time that would otherwise be needed. The construct and culture we've been born into, "educated" to believe, is flawed in getting us stuck in a non-abundance mindset - into a mindset of scarcity. In some parts of the world, sure perhaps that is the case currently, however we have the resources and knowledge to efficiently manage everything so everyone is taken care of. And Elon's helping give us more room and be able to mine more resources from space as well. The universe is big, there's abundance - we just have to allocate resources properly - which includes not being destructive with war and violence.
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