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Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by turbinerneiter »

johnpython wrote: post #124
turbinerneiter wrote: post #116

The two biggest problems (Europe has) with the integration of Muslims in our society are our societies prejudice and the forming of parallel society by the immigrants, leaving them isolated from the greater society they are supposed to join. How do you address this issue? After all, this app could be seen as reinforcement of the stereotype that Muslims do not want to mix with non-Muslims. And, to be honest, having "I…

> The two biggest problems (Europe has) with the integration of Muslims in our society are our societies prejudice and the forming of parallel society by the immigrants, leaving them isolated from the greater society they are supposed to join. Why are Muslims integrating well in US and Canada, but not Europe? Perhaps it has more to do with bigotry and lack of opportunity afforded to them rather than refusal to integr…

Immigration in the US and Canada works very differently than in Europe. Our immigration mostly comes from refugees, not carefully selected people with good education like in the US. In Germany, we also took in about one million people in a single year, which is not exactly something anyone knows how to handle right. And we are not doing a good job I think.

Also, I included prejudice in my first sentence. I never said anything putting the blame solely on the immigrants. But I also live in country where some immigrants managed to not learn the language even after 30, 40 years. The US and Canada doesn't even allow people in unless they prove command of language.

Also, none of my questions were meant to pass ultimate judgement.

Muslims wanting to marry Muslims doesn't mean anything much. But I think it's fair to bring up the point and think about how this relates to white people opposing mixed-race marriage.

I honestly don't have a problem with this app, but there are aspects that can be problematic. That's why I'm playing devil's advocate to extract more information. And given the LGTB-positive answer of one of the founders to another question here, I'm basically already convinced that they are doing the right things.

Now, I won't deny that there is subconscious bias at play and there is a good chance that I wouldn't have seen any problems if it was different kind of group-specific app.

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

orthoganol wrote: post #127
xupybd wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your views against religion seem as dogmatic as any religious views I've heard. You say you worry about religion dividing us but use language aimed to offend people of all faiths. Many of those people would offer you more respect than your offering them.

And many would not? Do people who don't like religious institutions have an obligation to be more respectful than the average person or else their arguments are invalid?

I think they have exactly the same obligation to be respectful. I'm religious, but if this had been a thread about an atheist dating site I wouldn't have commented like you did, and if another religious person did I'd have been just as critical of them.

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by botrot »

xupybd wrote: post #121
botrot wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is the place for a discussion on theology. Might I suggest a slightly different question: do gay and gender fluid Muslims exist? The answer is clearly yes. One need not go far to see stories of extremist groups throwing them off of buildings for being so. So, this leads to my original question of whether the product will enable this. I'd hate (probably too strong of a word) to see a product get awe…

They are serving a narrow niche. I don't think you can term that discrimination. Perhaps if You see a business opportunity you could create an app that serves the Muslim LGBTQX community?

If I create an app that delivers cup cakes and cakes to people having weddings - but only to people who have "straight" marriages, would this be a "narrow niche" and "business opportunity", or would I have the shit sued out of me?

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by xupybd »

botrot wrote: post #134
xupybd wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are serving a narrow niche. I don't think you can term that discrimination. Perhaps if You see a business opportunity you could create an app that serves the Muslim LGBTQX community?

If I create an app that delivers cup cakes and cakes to people having weddings - but only to people who have "straight" marriages, would this be a "narrow niche" and "business opportunity", or would I have the shit sued out of me?

I don't think that is a fair comparison.

A dating service serving a niche can help people pre-filter their matches. For example someone of higher education or earning might want to only find people of similar education. It would be discrimination to prevent people of lower education from purchasing from a cup cake delivery service. But not to filter them from a dating service.

As I understand it there are dating services that specialise in matching non straight couples. Is this discrimination against straight people?

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by botrot »

xupybd wrote: post #135
botrot wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I create an app that delivers cup cakes and cakes to people having weddings - but only to people who have "straight" marriages, would this be a "narrow niche" and "business opportunity", or would I have the shit sued out of me?

I don't think that is a fair comparison. A dating service serving a niche can help people pre-filter their matches. For example someone of higher education or earning might want to only find people of similar education. It would be discrimination to prevent people of lower education from purchasing from a cup cake delivery service. But not to filter them from a dating service. As I understand it there are dating serv…

You can have a dating app which uses filters and so forth to find your mate. RESTRICTING access (as opposed to a search filter) based on race, gender, etc. is pretty damn iffy. Especially when the app is owned by a company. Has this been tested in the courts yet? How is a digital "filter" (in the way that you are using the word) any different than a physical "filter" beginning at the entrance of my cake shop?

In any case, brod_ie has said "We're supportive of this and is definitely on our radar reply", so I'm sufficiently satisfied! ^.^

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by brod_ie »

the_common_man wrote: post #107

Can you explain, how you make money? In the play store there are some bad reviews about in-app purchases. What is your pricing and what do you price for? Thanks

We monetised through a mix of In App Purchases for products like Extra Swipes (see more profiles daily) and Instant Match (guaranteed to be seen to a soecified user) as well as a Premium subscription offering that includes some supplemental features as well as bundles of the IAPs. People don't always like the realities of the app economy but in truth we didn't monetise anything that was previously free. The free product is still as functional as ever. We modify pricing from time to time, you can see these in-app and in-stores, thanks.

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by brod_ie »

teej wrote: post #132

I'm annoyed that you came in, advertised your product, took up front page space, and didn't bother to answer any of the interesting questions. I feel as if you are taking from the community and not giving back.

Sorry to hear that, I thought I chimed in on most topics! All hands on deck for demo day, having another read through now

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by brod_ie »

smegel wrote: post #89

> Chaperones: In keeping with Islamic tradition, users can opt to have a “Wali” present in their conversations Sounds like a pretty unique feature in the world of chat apps. Were there any technical difficulties in implementing that?

Great question. Not particularly as the current Chaperone system works as an email digest of conversations sent to your confirmed guardian. In the future we want to explore adding full muzmatch account functionality here so the chaperone can sign into the native apps and view conversations in a more realtime manor.

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by brod_ie »

newscracker wrote: post #41
praneshp wrote: post #32

Nice service! Is the "Wali" a human being? If yes, how will that scale?

It'll be a verified email address that the member selects, to whom the chat transcripts are sent. [1] > How do I include a Wali or Guardian on muzmatch? > We want muzmatch to be a Halal and safe place for all our members to find their partner. > Women can enter a Wali or Guardian's email address in Menu → Settings to give them extra peace of mind. > Once their email has been confirmed they’ll receive weekly transcrip…

Thanks, I love seeing the FAQ being used! You can probably tell this is our own custom tool, we want to build more of a community around product Q&A and support in the future.
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