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Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by xupybd »

botrot wrote: post #53
leesalminen wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the religion allow for this? Not sure that it does.

I don't think this is the place for a discussion on theology. Might I suggest a slightly different question: do gay and gender fluid Muslims exist? The answer is clearly yes. One need not go far to see stories of extremist groups throwing them off of buildings for being so. So, this leads to my original question of whether the product will enable this. I'd hate (probably too strong of a word) to see a product get awe…

They are serving a narrow niche. I don't think you can term that discrimination.

Perhaps if You see a business opportunity you could create an app that serves the Muslim LGBTQX community?

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by celticninja »

Oras wrote: post #119
turbinerneiter wrote: post #116

The two biggest problems (Europe has) with the integration of Muslims in our society are our societies prejudice and the forming of parallel society by the immigrants, leaving them isolated from the greater society they are supposed to join. How do you address this issue? After all, this app could be seen as reinforcement of the stereotype that Muslims do not want to mix with non-Muslims. And, to be honest, having "I…

An important point indeed regarding isolation but just in case you don't know, Islam prevents muslim women from marrying non muslims and I guess this is the main issue. For men, it's fine to marry Christian or Jewish woman.

i think its fine for men if the wife joins Islam or at the least the children are brought up in the islamic faith.

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by celticninja »

xupybd wrote: post #120
orthoganol wrote: post #97

It's obviously great from a business perspective, you found a niche and you're serving a community's needs. Kudos for being a smart startup. It's also funny if Ryan isn't actually Muslim... lol. But I mean elephant in the room, I don't like religious institutions or traditional societal norms based in religion, any religion. Goes without saying but it's all on the way out anyways, since we now know magical people who…

Your views against religion seem as dogmatic as any religious views I've heard. You say you worry about religion dividing us but use language aimed to offend people of all faiths. Many of those people would offer you more respect than your offering them.

>Many of those people would offer you more respect than your offering them.

I would suggest a far larger proportion of those people would not offer you more respect for that very fact that the poster appears to be atheistic. Within the US which is a very religiously tolerant nation atheism is something that is frowned upon, just look at the politicians there and how an atheist is treated when running for office. In many Muslim countries becoming an atheist is problematic at best and potentially can result in death if you have left the islamic religion(apostasy).

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by johnpython »

turbinerneiter wrote: post #116

The two biggest problems (Europe has) with the integration of Muslims in our society are our societies prejudice and the forming of parallel society by the immigrants, leaving them isolated from the greater society they are supposed to join. How do you address this issue? After all, this app could be seen as reinforcement of the stereotype that Muslims do not want to mix with non-Muslims. And, to be honest, having "I…

> The two biggest problems (Europe has) with the integration of Muslims in our society are our societies prejudice and the forming of parallel society by the immigrants, leaving them isolated from the greater society they are supposed to join.

Why are Muslims integrating well in US and Canada, but not Europe? Perhaps it has more to do with bigotry and lack of opportunity afforded to them rather than refusal to integrate.

> After all, this app could be seen as reinforcement of the stereotype that Muslims do not want to mix with non-Muslims.

A Muslim wanting to marry another Muslim means they don't want to mix with non-Muslims?

> Do other dating apps have ethnicity filters, too?

Are people not allowed to have preferences? Muslims are a very diverse group and this sounds like a feature many would want.

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by johnpython »

orthoganol wrote: post #97

It's obviously great from a business perspective, you found a niche and you're serving a community's needs. Kudos for being a smart startup. It's also funny if Ryan isn't actually Muslim... lol. But I mean elephant in the room, I don't like religious institutions or traditional societal norms based in religion, any religion. Goes without saying but it's all on the way out anyways, since we now know magical people who…

Nobody cares about your opinion on religions. HN is not the place for this.

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by orthoganol »

lorenzorhoades wrote: post #113
orthoganol wrote: post #97

It's obviously great from a business perspective, you found a niche and you're serving a community's needs. Kudos for being a smart startup. It's also funny if Ryan isn't actually Muslim... lol. But I mean elephant in the room, I don't like religious institutions or traditional societal norms based in religion, any religion. Goes without saying but it's all on the way out anyways, since we now know magical people who…

I used to agree with you, then I read sapiens and it introduced me into the importance of religion in human development and society.

That's funny because if you look at my recent past comments, one is a review on Sapiens. It's a very preachy low-citation work whose interesting parts are the early chapters, but which you would already know the content of if you had taken a college anthropology class.

To address your argument, there is no reason to emulate our pre-historical past, if we even could.

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by orthoganol »

xupybd wrote: post #120
orthoganol wrote: post #97

It's obviously great from a business perspective, you found a niche and you're serving a community's needs. Kudos for being a smart startup. It's also funny if Ryan isn't actually Muslim... lol. But I mean elephant in the room, I don't like religious institutions or traditional societal norms based in religion, any religion. Goes without saying but it's all on the way out anyways, since we now know magical people who…

Your views against religion seem as dogmatic as any religious views I've heard. You say you worry about religion dividing us but use language aimed to offend people of all faiths. Many of those people would offer you more respect than your offering them.

And many would not? Do people who don't like religious institutions have an obligation to be more respectful than the average person or else their arguments are invalid?

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by dang »

orthoganol wrote: post #97

It's obviously great from a business perspective, you found a niche and you're serving a community's needs. Kudos for being a smart startup. It's also funny if Ryan isn't actually Muslim... lol. But I mean elephant in the room, I don't like religious institutions or traditional societal norms based in religion, any religion. Goes without saying but it's all on the way out anyways, since we now know magical people who…

Religious flamewar, which this counts as, is always off topic and particularly not allowed on Hacker News. Nothing good can, or ever does, come of it. So would you please not post like this again?

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by agentdrtran »

turbinerneiter wrote: post #116

The two biggest problems (Europe has) with the integration of Muslims in our society are our societies prejudice and the forming of parallel society by the immigrants, leaving them isolated from the greater society they are supposed to join. How do you address this issue? After all, this app could be seen as reinforcement of the stereotype that Muslims do not want to mix with non-Muslims. And, to be honest, having "I…

Yes, other apps have ethnicity filters. Grindr, for one.

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by xupybd »

orthoganol wrote: post #127
xupybd wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your views against religion seem as dogmatic as any religious views I've heard. You say you worry about religion dividing us but use language aimed to offend people of all faiths. Many of those people would offer you more respect than your offering them.

And many would not? Do people who don't like religious institutions have an obligation to be more respectful than the average person or else their arguments are invalid?

You are correct many would not, but you get to choose what group you emulate. Personally I'd prefer to be respectful where possible.

And no being disrespectful doesn't invalidate your argument. But it does cause division, something you didn't seem to want.

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