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Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by random_calc »

ipsum2 wrote: post #37
rnhmjoj wrote: post #31

Someone has already backed it up: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/6n1pap/soundcl...

This seems a bit ridiculous. 900TB costs $22000 in hard drives (assuming $100/4TB HDD), without any redundancy. I wonder what their storage solution is like.

Consider what Soundcloud, which ist hosted on AWS, payed for this. The cheapest public offer from AWS is 0.05$/GB for OUTBOUND traffic (for at least 350TB/month). If you consume more, you negotiate directly with AWS.

Lets assume they pay 0.005$/GB, which results in a 4500$ bill(@ 0.005/GB) or 45000$ bill(@ 0.05$) for Soundcloud.

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by chinathrow »

jacquesm wrote: post #35
ipsum2 wrote: post #13

I'm interested in people's opinions on the legality of this. They mention "Archive Team considers the SoundCloud service in danger and, as it hosts a lot of original content, finds it important to prepare to save it selectively (a full grab would be too big and would raise concerns of mass copyright infringement).", but how is downloading any portion of artist's music not copyright infringement? I've written my own S…

> but how is downloading any portion of artist's music not copyright infringement? I had the same issue with backing up Geocities when it went down. I figured better safe than sorry, established a very easy deletion procedure for the copyright holders and have received only a very small number of nastygrams compared to an absolutely enormous number of messages from people that were happy their content got saved. So a…

> So at a guess, yes it is copyright infringement, no, it will not lead to trouble because most people are able to recognize a good faith effort when they see it.

A takedown notice from a few large commercial soundcloud users would probably be enough, no?

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by dungle6 »

syshum wrote: post #119
TeMPOraL wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unlimited is a marketing term used to express simply to the consumer there are not overall limits placed on your storage provided you adhere to the rest of the terms of service. Well, that's doublespeak then, and if someone calls them out on it by actually testing the claim they make, so be it. I don't understand why people seem not to mind being lied to their faces, as long as it's "just marketing".

>>I don't understand why people seem not to mind being lied to their faces, Because most rational people use common sense and logic to come to the understanding that when a company is offering you "unlimited" storage for your PERSONAL FILES, they do not intend for you to go out and download SoundCloud as backup in case the SoundClould Service goes under Just like when a "All you can Eat" buffet does not intend this t…

All you can eat is actually quite specific, but for knuckleheads like yourself it is usually clarified in writing in other places. It's all you can eat while at the establishment.. not all you can take. They don't advertise it as "unlimited" either as many places in busy markets have a posted time limit. This is clearly part of their terms of service as most buffets I know both clearly state that you can't use takeout containers and many have a posted price for taking out food by the pound or piece. You are not digging yourself further dude.

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by [deleted] »

syshum wrote: post #119
TeMPOraL wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unlimited is a marketing term used to express simply to the consumer there are not overall limits placed on your storage provided you adhere to the rest of the terms of service. Well, that's doublespeak then, and if someone calls them out on it by actually testing the claim they make, so be it. I don't understand why people seem not to mind being lied to their faces, as long as it's "just marketing".

>>I don't understand why people seem not to mind being lied to their faces, Because most rational people use common sense and logic to come to the understanding that when a company is offering you "unlimited" storage for your PERSONAL FILES, they do not intend for you to go out and download SoundCloud as backup in case the SoundClould Service goes under Just like when a "All you can Eat" buffet does not intend this t…

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Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by smichel17 »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #81
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> abuse the shit out of it It wouldn't be abuse if it was actually unlimited. They uploaded a finite (if large) amount of data to a service advertising infinite capacity.

You know the saying: "you are not wrong, you are just an asshole". I don't think OP is arguing that it's against ToS or anything like that. He is arguing that if people just upload stuff in these "unlimited" services all willy nilly soon they won't be unlimited anymore. The price will be the same, but they will drop the capacity to something reasonable. Which in turn might hurt some legitimate users. I'm all for peop…

I think there's a hole in this reasoning. Because, it seems to me that "legitimate users" is being used to mean "people who are not uploading huge amounts of data" (usually phrased as 'abusing the service'). But then, by definition, imposing a reasonably large cap hurts no legitimate users.

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by delinka »

mynewtb wrote: post #110
syshum wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except for the fact that when Google, Amazon and the rest talk about "unlimited" they are referring to unlimited PERSONAL storage of data you create as a person, this would include backups of your personal computer, photos, important documents,etc Not backing up SoundCloud or the entire Internet for $5 a month

I would love to have my own personal backup of SoundCloud. It's like having a huge library at home, only not limited by physical space.

>... only not limited by physical space.

Well, it still kinda is - the physical drives have to live somewhere... ;-)

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by rapnie »

simonhfrost wrote: post #25

Anyone interested in backing up their own personal (public) SoundCloud files will find this tool useful: https://github.com/mafintosh/soundcloud-to-dat

Cool!! Based on the Dat project (http://datproject.org). These guys might become a good alternative to IPFS, especially if they reposition themselves as a message-based system, instead of just file sharing.

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Post by radarsat1 »

Their website seems to be down: I'm just wondering, are they downloading everything accessible through the player, or just songs marked "Download"?

Even given that they could restrict themselves to songs marked okay to download, how much of that will be DJ mixes containing copyrighted songs?

I'm just wondering because Soundcloud actually has support to specify your copyright terms, which does not default to "everyone can download this", so it's an interesting case..

The website works now, it just says "selective content"

I'm sure SC serves up a lot of content per day, but how do you think they will react by suddenly having someone download all of their 900 TB or whatever it is in one day? How much will Archiveteam be contributing to SC's downfall by suddenly causing them a huge unexpected bill?

As someone who really wants the SC content backed up properly, I nonetheless see how this raises some interesting legal issues.

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