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Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Almost certainly Google Drive unlimited.

And this is how Google Drive Unlimited becomes Google Drive Limited... Like every other Unlimited service, because people like this abuse the shit out of it then when it inevitably dies they run around exclaiming "dont blame me brah they said it was unlimited...., shouldn't have called it unlimited"

> when it inevitably dies they run around exclaiming "dont blame me brah they said it was unlimited...., shouldn't have called it unlimited"

Well... yeah? If you let people advertise 'unlimited' but they can't actually deliver, you end up with a kind of market for lemons situation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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I'm interested in people's opinions on the legality of this. They mention "Archive Team considers the SoundCloud service in danger and, as it hosts a lot of original content, finds it important to prepare to save it selectively (a full grab would be too big and would raise concerns of mass copyright infringement).", but how is downloading any portion of artist's music not copyright infringement? I've written my own S…

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Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this is how Google Drive Unlimited becomes Google Drive Limited... Like every other Unlimited service, because people like this abuse the shit out of it then when it inevitably dies they run around exclaiming "dont blame me brah they said it was unlimited...., shouldn't have called it unlimited"

While this is clearly abusing intent behind the "unlimited" sales pitch, I still do not think it's in violation of it. There's also most likely more than just this guy owning copy of the files from SoundCloud, so once Google has copy of them all they can just cache it for the rest of the people. I.e. you don't need unique files for every user who has some file, instead you can just give out the one to anyone who requ…

Yeah, except people on DataHoarder encrypt their files so that the providers can't store one copy per unique file but have to store one copy per one file in any user's account.

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Maybe they're only pulling either indie stuff with no copyright, or the rarer stuff that they're less likely to get in trouble over.

indie stuff with no copyright There's no such thing, copyright is automatic, it applies as soon as the author puts the work in some tangible medium (like an hard drive).

I've never thought about the medium thing. If you write a song (and perhaps perform it in public and everything), but never commit it into writing or recording, does copyright not apply?

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this is how Google Drive Unlimited becomes Google Drive Limited... Like every other Unlimited service, because people like this abuse the shit out of it then when it inevitably dies they run around exclaiming "dont blame me brah they said it was unlimited...., shouldn't have called it unlimited"

While this is clearly abusing intent behind the "unlimited" sales pitch, I still do not think it's in violation of it. There's also most likely more than just this guy owning copy of the files from SoundCloud, so once Google has copy of them all they can just cache it for the rest of the people. I.e. you don't need unique files for every user who has some file, instead you can just give out the one to anyone who requ…

Oooooooh... reminds me of something https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2438181 [How Dropbox sacrifices user privacy for cost savings (dubfire.net)]

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost certainly Google Drive unlimited.

And this is how Google Drive Unlimited becomes Google Drive Limited... Like every other Unlimited service, because people like this abuse the shit out of it then when it inevitably dies they run around exclaiming "dont blame me brah they said it was unlimited...., shouldn't have called it unlimited"

> abuse the shit out of it

It wouldn't be abuse if it was actually unlimited. They uploaded a finite (if large) amount of data to a service advertising infinite capacity.

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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This seems a bit ridiculous. 900TB costs $22000 in hard drives (assuming $100/4TB HDD), without any redundancy. I wonder what their storage solution is like.

they're using google drive

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Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

indie stuff with no copyright There's no such thing, copyright is automatic, it applies as soon as the author puts the work in some tangible medium (like an hard drive).

I've never thought about the medium thing. If you write a song (and perhaps perform it in public and everything), but never commit it into writing or recording, does copyright not apply?

What would the copyrights apply to if there's no recording?

Re: Archiveteam are backing up SoundCloud

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Does anyone feel that this is all a bit pointless. Like is there a greater social need to preserve SC? I found a lot of the content to ephemeral, things like podcasts or DJ mixes. I dunno, it just seems a bit silly to put resources on it.

Obviously, with any free hosting service, there is junk on it... However, if you check wikipedia or wherever, and find out what soundcloud is, you will understand. Soundcloud is a place for dj's, musicians, bands to upload their music. Many smaller bands, soundcloud is the only place many of their songs are stored. In fact many mainstream artists started there, whose 'garage band' recordings, and sets recorded before they went big. There is an abundance of original music, that might be otherwise lost.
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